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Old 12-08-2014, 06:08 PM   #21
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About 8 years ago, the Benjamin Moore dealer in my town went out of business. As a result, I switched over to Glidden paints. At first I was impressed with them but as time went on my opinion changed drastically. I had a job where the primer was applied and allowed to dry for 24 hours, and then the 1st coat of paint went on (also allowed to dry for 24 hours). On day # 3, I applied the 2nd coat of paint and shortly thereafter I began to see little bubbles pop up in certain areas. I didn't think much of them and expected them to lay down and become invisible (I've seen that before). Well, after 48 hours those bubbles were still there. A sanding, re-patching and another 24 hours to dry took place before I went back to sand/touch up. The sanding went o.k. but as soon as I applied the paint, it bubbled in the same areas. I could not for the life of me figure it out. I will say that it was only the 2nd coat that was bubbling. The primer and 1st coat remained intact. I had this problem two more times on other jobs, as well as the 2nd coat not sticking to the first coat too well. This is why I no longer use Glidden paints.

I'm not the only one with this problem. If you google Glidden paint problems, you'll find that there's hundreds of complaints about it.

Lucky for me, Aubuchon Hardware began to carry the Benjamin Moore brand and since we have one in my town, I've switched back over to them. No more issues whatsoever. It's twice the price but well worth it for peace of mind and quality.
It was not the primer, the first coat, moisture, damp mud, skim coat, humidity etc. The second finish coat resin attacks and softens the first coat and causes small blisters or bubbles. No paint company will admit this happens. When you see it happen, you have to oil prime with Cover Stain to act as a barrier primer. Then apply your topcoat. The bubbles have a very characteristic size and look. Happens usually in higher quality latex with higher resin or better quality resin content.
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I met with a client today that wanted their board room painted. It was previously painted with ICI paint and the only info the client could provide was that the color was 707 Soap Stone and the finish was eggshell.

I stopped by a Glidden store and the manager recommend Ultra Hide 350 or 250 since you can no longer buy Ici paint. Since I don't have experience with either product I'm looking to PT members for advice as to which product they'd choose/recommend.

Also, the walls are Level 4.
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The ultra hide 7700 is the best ceiling flat on the market.

We use glidden ultra on lower end insurance jobs and NC. Great looking product, just not very washable. Amazing to use.

Lifemaster semi gloss is an amazing trim paint. Not a fan of the eggshell for walls.

Kitchen and bath eggshell is where it's at for walls of people wanting washable. If hey have kids I make a point to use this.

As Jp said the Accents for deep base reds yellows and oranges is unreal.

Xpert makes a great waterborne alkyd we use for all cabinets and any large trim packages we want to look like oil.

Xpert also makes a line of mid range paints in flat eggshell and semi. It's decent, but smells like ball sweat.. No joke. It's gross.

Not a huge fan of diamond. If a customer wants it, id just rather pay a bit more for aura.
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WJE, thanks for the insight the various Glidden paints. Based on your thoughts about Ultra, is there a different paint you'd recommend for Level 4 walls in an office environment?

The trim and ceilings aren't being painted.
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WJE, thanks for the insight the various Glidden paints. Based on your thoughts about Ultra, is there a different paint you'd recommend for Level 4 walls in an office environment? The trim and ceilings aren't being painted.
We usually use ultra on commercial projects, but if it's more of a high traffic commercial job (doctors office, large waiting rooms etc) we use the kitchen and bath. More expensive, but more durable.

The ultra eggshell is a low sheen eggshell. It has way less of a sheen than any other eggshell they make. Also note most of the deep base paints look a sheen higher when tinted (a deep brown in a flat finish looks more like an eggshell finish)
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Low-sheen is what I'm looking for because the current finish looks more like a flat than a typical eggshell finish. Based on your input I'll spec Ultra 250.
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Low-sheen is what I'm looking for because the current finish looks more like a flat than a typical eggshell finish. Based on your input I'll spec Ultra 250.
Here in canada we don't have the # 250 associated with it, rather 9400. The ceiling flat is 7700. But should be similar I imagine if not identical.
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Low-sheen is what I'm looking for because the current finish looks more like a flat than a typical eggshell finish. Based on your input I'll spec Ultra 250.
Lifemaster flat is very nice. Fairly durable, and touches up nicely. Diamond flat is extremely durable and touches up very nicely too. I only like to use ultra on commercial, abd low end work. Mars like crazy, not durable at all, but touches up like a dream.
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Lifemaster flat is very nice. Fairly durable, and touches up nicely. Diamond flat is extremely durable and touches up very nicely too. I only like to use ultra on commercial, abd low end work. Mars like crazy, not durable at all, but touches up like a dream.
Agreed. Insurance resto and and commercial is out main use for ultra.
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has anyone here tried speedhide eggshell for walls?? Just curious what you thought of it in terms of coverage etc… any major drawbacks?
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has anyone here tried speedhide eggshell for walls?? Just curious what you thought of it in terms of coverage etc… any major drawbacks?
The manager at the store I use most often says it's absolute garbage abd not to touch it. She said the headaches aren't worth the price point. She said the coverage walls balls, and it doesn't hold up AT ALL
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It sucks. Go with ultra-hide 150 flat eggshell or semi. Its a decent contractor grade paint. For high end ceilings i like the pittsburgh premium flat which PPG carries. Not a fan of manorhall.
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I have only painted glidden once, about 2 yrs ago. The home owner said that color was only made by glidden, was an eggshell for a kitchen. It painted fine, but took a long time to dry. My only complaint is i had to go to home depot to buy it. Also was the cheapest price ive ever seen for paint, 16dllrs and change.
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PNW- Ultra Hide 250 is the 1200/1402/1406 line- very good product. Ultra Hide 350 is the 1201/1403/1407 line (flat/eggshell/semi gloss), which is an upgrade from 250. These Ultra Hides are better paints than the Ultra Hide 150, which is a very good commercial grade product line.

It is hard to say what changes PPG will make in the store product lines- this should be done soon. I hope that this is helpful to you.
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