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Old 07-30-2018, 11:33 AM   #41
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The paint companies now charge us $0.75 per gallon fee when it is purchased. It is a way to help out with too many gallons of paint being disposed in landfills. This fee was implemented to us at the beginning of the year. It is my understanding that this fee will go Nationwide to every state very soon.
Thanks for the heads up on the flat paint we will certainly try your suggestion

And what, exactly, does the fee pay for?


Here waste management takes it for free and we do pay waste management in the form of tax. So far no "environment fees" applied this side of the border.
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So why are the paint companies charging a fee to cover the expense of paint being disposed in landfills when all of the major box stores are advertising that they will take any paint back for any reason? Even if the customer doesn't like the color or bought twice as much as they thought they would need. Where do people think all that returned paint ends up? The magic turn it back to white so so we can sell it again factory? Hell no! It ends up in the landfillls. Why any state or provincial government would allow paint retailers to advertise something like that defeats the entire reasoning behind not throwing more and more paint in the land fills is beyond me. There are quite a few people in this world that need to pull their heads out of their a55e55 and take a deep breath. Encouraging people to buy paint and return it is stupid.
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Manor hall is Silken touch re labeled

Great product and really good price if you tell them that will be your only line

Aside from that you cannot go wrong with BM (you will be supporting a local independent business if you keep on buying BM)

I would personally go to the store that services you best and keep PPG as an option since they are more places that an independent BM store[/QUO



With BM, you'll be supporting Warren Buffett and his shareholders.


I agree manor hall is excellent paint . Does anyone else have issues with their ppg stores matching other paint colors? Especially S-W or bm? My local store is atrocious and that is what keeps me out of there. I once stood there for an hour to get two gallons of Blair gold made up and it wasn't even close. He said it's the best he could do "those historical colors are really hard." Wtf those are probably 50% of what my customers choose. If they could match like bm, S-W, or dare is say Home Depot id switch real fast


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My ppg store takes a hundo off a fiver before applying any other discounts. In the end i get product reasonably enough I bypass SW, 2 BM stores, and the Diamond Vogel three blocks from my shop to obtain it. Sometimes the Porter doesn't hide adequately but another roll is still in the budget regardless.
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My ppg store takes a hundo off a fiver before applying any other discounts. In the end i get product reasonably enough I bypass SW, 2 BM stores, and the Diamond Vogel three blocks from my shop to obtain it. Sometimes the Porter doesn't hide adequately but another roll is still in the budget regardless.
And, I always liked Diamond Vogel. I guess their prices went up too. It never bothered me to pay a little more for paint that I knew how it would go on and the sheen was right. The customer pays for the paint anyway right? You just have to sell them on the price and quality.
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How does manor hall compare to duration?
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I agree manor hall is excellent paint . Does anyone else have issues with their ppg stores matching other paint colors? Especially S-W or bm? My local store is atrocious and that is what keeps me out of there. I once stood there for an hour to get two gallons of Blair gold made up and it wasn't even close. He said it's the best he could do "those historical colors are really hard." Wtf those are probably 50% of what my customers choose. If they could match like bm, S-W, or dare is say Home Depot id switch real fast


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Sounds to me like its an issue with that particular store. I used to get bad matches from mine, but I called my rep every time, and eventually they started getting it right every time.
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And, I always liked Diamond Vogel. I guess their prices went up too. It never bothered me to pay a little more for paint that I knew how it would go on and the sheen was right. The customer pays for the paint anyway right? You just have to sell them on the price and quality.
A lot of it comes down to the people. Even though the DV store has defectors of BM on staff, I still give my business to PPG, simply because i really like the owner and staff. Some days i can lose an hour just bullsh***ing.
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I use both PPG and Sherwin. I favor PPG for exterior paints i.e. Timeless and prefer PPG trim paint like Breakthrough. But, I don't see a big difference between PPG and SW wall paint. I could be wrong but it seems to me that SW has better coverage (covering one color over another) but Manor Hall seems to hide flaws better.

Example, If I had walls with many imperfections I think the Manor Hall would "fill in" better and get a better uniform look.
But, I recently painted (using PPG) a light color over a dark color and it took FOUR coats and I know SW would have covered it in 2-3 coats.

which paint would hold up better over time......I have no idea.
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I use both PPG and Sherwin. I favor PPG for exterior paints i.e. Timeless and prefer PPG trim paint like Breakthrough. But, I don't see a big difference between PPG and SW wall paint. I could be wrong but it seems to me that SW has better coverage (covering one color over another) but Manor Hall seems to hide flaws better.

Example, If I had walls with many imperfections I think the Manor Hall would "fill in" better and get a better uniform look.
But, I recently painted (using PPG) a light color over a dark color and it took FOUR coats and I know SW would have covered it in 2-3 coats.

which paint would hold up better over time......I have no idea.
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But, I recently painted (using PPG) a light color over a dark color and it took FOUR coats and I know SW would have covered it in 2-3 coats.

which paint would hold up better over time......I have no idea.

I've never had that issue with the Manor Hall. Are you using the top grade? Also, I find with really extreme color changes, light over dark or dark over light, and depending on the color being applied all paints need 4 coats. I once went from white to Royal Red in a room and it took 4 coats of BM Regal Select before it had the depth of solid color to look great.



Also Yellows & Pinks are a B1tch for good cover!
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I've never had that issue with the Manor Hall. Are you using the top grade? Also, I find with really extreme color changes, light over dark or dark over light, and depending on the color being applied all paints need 4 coats. I once went from white to Royal Red in a room and it took 4 coats of BM Regal Select before it had the depth of solid color to look great.



Also Yellows & Pinks are a B1tch for good cover!

Why not go with Aura with the Royal Red? I love Regal, but there's times when it's just not gonna do it.
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Why not go with Aura with the Royal Red? I love Regal, but there's times when it's just not gonna do it.
Because, above all paints, I loath Aura. I know it has a lot of fans but I am not one. My go to is Top of the line Manor Hall, second choice is Para Ultra.

In any case, my comments about extremes and color choices is still valid. I had to do a mustard yellow once and 4 coats later it still look a little iffy and it was only going over builders beige! I hate yellows and pinks! If I need to paint over navy blue, chocolate brown, black, deep red, etc. I start with a heavy bodied primer.
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Because, above all paints, I loath Aura. I know it has a lot of fans but I am not one. My go to is Top of the line Manor Hall, second choice is Para Ultra.

In any case, my comments about extremes and color choices is still valid. I had to do a mustard yellow once and 4 coats later it still look a little iffy and it was only going over builders beige! I hate yellows and pinks! If I need to paint over navy blue, chocolate brown, black, deep red, etc. I start with a heavy bodied primer.

Interesting. I got stuck using Para stuff for a few years when I was working for one builder. Hated it. The only good thing about it I found was that it was easy to clean off my brushes and I didn't consider that a good thing overall.


You're absolutely correct about yellows and pinks. Almost always have to do a third round of brush work which is really time consuming.
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I has something strange happen a couple days ago.Its a reno, where there were a few existing doors, a built in prepainted bookcase, and a few windos. Everything had new preprimed casing and base applied. I used sealrip to prime the old stuff, and a pocket door that was that shiny dark brown pressed MDF (I dont know what its actually called) and I used Latex undercoater on all the new stuff, including another pocket door that was solid unprimed wood, pine, I think. I then sanded everything and sprayed Manor Hall Eggshell on it. (The walls went the same paint and color as well.)

Now, on the bookshelf, which was primed with the seal grip, and the solid wood door which had the latex undercoater, hundreds of tiny bubbles appeared after I sprayed it. I cought the bookshlef in time, and rolled them out with a mohair roller, and it turned out fine. One side of the other door, I was able to roll out the bubbles, but the other side was set,so Im gonna have to give it some love sometime.

I just dont understand how that can only happen in those two places....
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Interesting. I got stuck using Para stuff for a few years when I was working for one builder. Hated it. The only good thing about it I found was that it was easy to clean off my brushes and I didn't consider that a good thing overall.


You're absolutely correct about yellows and pinks. Almost always have to do a third round of brush work which is really time consuming.

Para's New lines of Ultra & the Hybrid Ultra are amazingly good. I refuse to use anything except the Hybrid Ultra Eggshell on cabinets! I just LOVE everything about it: dry time, leveling, that it covers in one coat and looks amazing with a wet sand and second coat.

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How does manor hall compare to duration?


MUCH better IMO
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