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Old 05-30-2008, 11:57 PM   #21
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I understand what the verm sayin, it sounds like the painters an the mudders are workin together, so, ya see what get when their done, as to walkin through the entire project to forsee problems. but I still wouldnt put paint on it. I dont do the sometimes ya just gotta do it thing. deadline or not, my name is gonna ride with this work, and Id rather be the jerk that didnt make the deadline because I refused to paint over that kinda crap. than the painter that actually painted over it. cause that will linger longer than the prior! its always going to be the painters fault if the painter paints wrong. "even if he has to" its still wrong and your names still on it.
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Old 05-31-2008, 07:42 AM   #22
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It sound like ewe run a qualty operaton. That fuinny after all the tails about pullin pickled pigs feet and frog legs from out them boys throats down Ma Parker Farm.

Two bad ya cant figger out how post some pics of yer paint werk. I bet their sum nice homes out in them their hills.



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Old 05-31-2008, 09:08 AM   #23
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it puts knots in my stomach just reading about new construction nighmares

thank you for posting this and reminding me why i dont take part in this rat race anymore

crazy deadlines
fixing other trades mistakes
repainting
slow pay
lies
leapfrogging
cramming
finger pointing

if you are doing work for a good gc,,,,,,be thankful,,,,he's an endangered species
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:25 AM   #24
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make the home owner sign off on the walls.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:29 AM   #25
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it puts knots in my stomach just reading about new construction nighmares

thank you for posting this and reminding me why i dont take part in this rat race anymore

crazy deadlines
fixing other trades mistakes
repainting
slow pay
lies
leapfrogging
cramming
finger pointing

if you are doing work for a good gc,,,,,,be thankful,,,,he's an endangered species

I, unfortunately, second that . . .
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:39 AM   #26
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#1 The painter is responsible ONLY to determine if his/her paint will adhere to the surface.

#2 It's the GC/HO's responsibility to decide if the surface is completely ready for the painter.

#3 Judging the QUALITY of a surface will result in an OPINION.

#4 This opinion needs to be the GC/HO's, not the painter's.

#5 Once the GC/HO approves the surface, and the painting has started, any repairs to the walls should be at an extra charge.

"I have inspected all surfaces to be painted, and they are all ready for the painter. Sign below:

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Old 06-04-2008, 02:32 AM   #27
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well to update we did get the h.o. too sign off on walls
we will fix any small stuff for a nice fee. anything bigger that we wont fix they will live with it or get a taper to come back
we are taking pics and notes so they cant argue with us on what we are repairing
we told her she has to walk around after first coat and inspect and anything after final coat is cost plus $75.00 per man hour (should make her pay attention this time)and that is in writing
as for the taper/mudder he wont be back for the second house they are doing(not sure if we will be either lol)
and ya i now remember why i stuck with repaints also less stress usually
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The OP mentioned it's a HO run job. In that case I'd point out the flaws, let them get the taper in there. I'd only confront him once on this. There's nothing in the contract that says I'm liable for ANY other trades work. I fix things as a courtesy and to keep the job moving.

If you really want to be nasty, say there's an extra charge for the lost wages connected with waiting for the taper to fix his stuff.

If this is sub work for a GC, then the ho can't withold pmt. If the GC says paint over it, after pointing it out to him, no less that 3 times, then it gets painted and I get paid. Otherwise, I can make that job cost him money without going legal on him. I can also lose him customers. There's always a way to balance things out.

Of course, i'm taping a room right now where the HO hung his own drywall.
My opinion could be skewed right now.
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Of course, i'm taping a room right now where the HO hung his own drywall.
My opinion could be skewed right now.
I bet you are using a bit more tape and mud than anticipated?

Good points, Joe.



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Old 06-05-2008, 11:13 PM   #30
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Yup, lots of mud. Tapes the same, no matter what. They didn't put up any extra corners or anything.

well, I didn't see guru's last reply, or I wouldn't have posted. Same thing basically.

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Old 06-05-2008, 11:19 PM   #31
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PDCA Standard P4-04 establishes criteria for determining which of the parties to an agreement has responsibility for inspecting and approving surfaces prior to their being painted or decorated.
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p4-04-5.1.1
p4-04-7.0 is the legal disclaimer.

If someone goes to court on a job like this, assuming that every little detail is not written down, like hiding cracks with caulk, does the court refer to the pdca? Or is the pdca written based on law?

Suppose someone wanted me to caulk a bathtub? PDCA says the painter isn't responsible for making it waterproof. But, if I took the job of caulking a bathtub.....
Could I then refer to the pdca and say i'm not responsible for making the painters caulk waterproof?

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Old 06-07-2008, 12:27 AM   #33
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Yup.
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:35 AM   #34
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Be careful. I know a couple who live in a 1/2M. home that the CG and paint contractor ended up buying for them. Poor sheet rock work covered over by the painters. Sheet rock taping begin to show through and Spackle, etc. were releasing on vaulted ceiling. In court judge ruled the CG, painters had hidden the sheet rockers errors. The CG and paint contractor either paid off the mortgage or are paying it off plus had to redo the sheet rock work in most of the house.

ps. NO I was NOT the paint contractor...
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Wow! What a nightmare. Definately keep us posted.
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