Benjamin Moore paint issues. - Page 2 - Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum
CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY, IT'S FREE!
Go Back   Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum > Painting Forum > General Painting Discussion

Like Tree18Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-27-2016, 05:00 PM   #21
Paint Ninja
 
AlphaWolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 226
Rewards Points: 452
Thanks: 65
Thanked 195 Times in 101 Posts
View AlphaWolf's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTacoPaco View Post
A better question to ask is what price is your Emerald at? By no way shape or form am I saying they are comparable bc I would never pay more that 30 Emerald
Not sure my emerald price to be honest. I got a demo and tried it. Brushed out nice and rolled nice but left flashing kind of reminds of of aura in that way never got it again. Ill try some more Aura coming soon and ill use the rollers u all suggested see how it goes. PAC i wish i could send you a gallon of the Diamond and lifemaster i use here in Canada. Love to know your thoughts as well as for you to use your paint testing tools as well.
AlphaWolf is offline   Reply With Quote

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. PaintTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-27-2016, 05:03 PM   #22
Paint Ninja
 
AlphaWolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 226
Rewards Points: 452
Thanks: 65
Thanked 195 Times in 101 Posts
View AlphaWolf's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exactoman View Post
First off, not all microfibers are the same. Aura looks best with 5/16 stipple.
When you apply the product CORRECTLY, Aura, there is a huge finish difference between it and other products, especially cashmere. But, it matters what your customers want. Your customer base may not need Aura and Regal. I'm a firm believer of don't fix something if it ain't broke. If you know your products you use now and love em, then no need to change.
But if you want to try and can get this product, you gotta try Richard's signature eggshell. It is a cashmere, Regal, comparable, and looks almost as good as Aura.
You make it sound like i have never painted in my life. I know how to use a roller lol. Im thinking maybe its the roller its self was the issue so ill try the sleeve every 1 recommended. God this paint is picky lol.
AlphaWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2016, 11:37 PM   #23
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 566
Rewards Points: 234
Thanks: 447
Thanked 263 Times in 170 Posts
View Exactoman's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaWolf View Post
You make it sound like i have never painted in my life. I know how to use a roller lol. Im thinking maybe its the roller its self was the issue so ill try the sleeve every 1 recommended. God this paint is picky lol.
I had same trouble when I first used Aura. I'm sure everyone here has. It's just better paint though. Look at it this way. Do I wear my good whites in a 145,000 house? Prob not. Do I use Aura there. Prob not. I use Richard's. And I paint awesome. Still use 5/16" nap on any sheen paint, 3/8" Wooster fuzzy on flat.
But what do I use on the 250k+ homes? Aura. Advance. My whites are crisp-er. Theres still paint on em. There's time and place for all the paints. The key with Aura though is it can be a money maker and time saver. It can damn near cover in one coat over most similar colors. Just don't forget the floetrol. 2 Oz per can for 8 ft. 4 Oz per can for big walls!
Exactoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-29-2016, 06:21 AM   #24
Senior Member
 
thinkpainting/nick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,687
Rewards Points: 2,128
Thanks: 957
Thanked 1,392 Times in 705 Posts
View thinkpainting/nick's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Search my posts been saying forever. Matte is glorified Flat and does not wash or hold up any better than a flat. $50 bucks a gallon come on for what? Duration is the worst! Regal is easier to work with but its still a flat. If the designers or HO doesn't have issues get your check and 👍🏻
PACman likes this.
thinkpainting/nick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2016, 08:47 AM   #25
Senior Member
 
804 Paint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Virginia
Posts: 919
Rewards Points: 800
Thanks: 417
Thanked 358 Times in 219 Posts
View 804 Paint's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I like the finish of both Aura and Regal matte. I haven't used either in my own home so I can't say how washable they are. Duration is by far the worst interior matte ever. Just awful. Emerald is not user-friendly and can flash if you don't do everything to a T (prime patches and then hit with a light coat of paint before your first coat, but I have to say, it really does hold up extremely well. I have washed a ton of crap off my kitchen wall I never thought would come off, but it did.

Now, I'll tell you one thing that Aura is awesome for. Those customers that INSIST their trim only needs one coat. Put some BM extender in that, paint your doors and trim and feel pretty darn good about it when you're done. As a pro you can tell it would look better with two, but that's mostly because you know it only has one. It always looks pretty darn good!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
804 Paint is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 804 Paint For This Useful Post:
Exactoman (07-30-2016)
Old 07-30-2016, 09:35 AM   #26
Senior Member
 
PACman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: North central Ohio
Posts: 11,338
Rewards Points: 158
Thanks: 2,999
Thanked 4,710 Times in 3,177 Posts
View PACman's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 804 Paint View Post
I like the finish of both Aura and Regal matte. I haven't used either in my own home so I can't say how washable they are. Duration is by far the worst interior matte ever. Just awful. Emerald is not user-friendly and can flash if you don't do everything to a T (prime patches and then hit with a light coat of paint before your first coat, but I have to say, it really does hold up extremely well. I have washed a ton of crap off my kitchen wall I never thought would come off, but it did.

Now, I'll tell you one thing that Aura is awesome for. Those customers that INSIST their trim only needs one coat. Put some BM extender in that, paint your doors and trim and feel pretty darn good about it when you're done. As a pro you can tell it would look better with two, but that's mostly because you know it only has one. It always looks pretty darn good!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The durability of Emerald is to me it's only redeeming feature. It's tough as hell! Is it an extra $30 a gallon worth of tough? Not to me.
thamberg likes this.
__________________
"One who dares not offend cannot be honest." Thomas Paine-patriot

"I'll have a double scotch with a twist of bourbon" Rodney Dangerfield
PACman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to PACman For This Useful Post:
thamberg (08-02-2016)
Old 07-31-2016, 08:42 PM   #27
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 988
Rewards Points: 1,982
Thanks: 72
Thanked 123 Times in 103 Posts
View Mr Smith's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobross View Post
Why is it all the higher dollar paints require more work. Always thought it should be the other way around.
Emerald is SW's top dog and it is fantastic to work with. I'm a BM guy but Emerald is much better than Aura or any other paint that BM carries IMO. I just used it for the 2nd time and it is the best paint that I have ever applied in my life. I rolled walls the first time and it was like butter,it didn't run, and the satin finish was beautiful!

The 2nd time I sprayed an exterior door with it and I had an accident with the hose nicking it while wet. TWO hours later after it baked in the sun I could sand it with 180 grit paper and sand down it down to perfection without harming the finish. I was worried that I would have to setup and spray it the next day.
thamberg likes this.
Mr Smith is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Mr Smith For This Useful Post:
thamberg (08-02-2016)
Old 07-31-2016, 08:50 PM   #28
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 566
Rewards Points: 234
Thanks: 447
Thanked 263 Times in 170 Posts
View Exactoman's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Smith View Post
Emerald is SW's top dog and it is fantastic to work with. I'm a BM guy but Emerald is much better than Aura or any other paint that BM carries IMO. I just used it for the 2nd time and it is the best paint that I have ever applied in my life. I rolled walls the first time and it was like butter,it didn't run, and the satin finish was beautiful!

The 2nd time I sprayed an exterior door with it and I had an accident with the hose nicking it while wet. TWO hours later after it baked in the sun I could sand it with 180 grit paper and sand down it down to perfection without harming the finish. I was worried that I would have to setup and spray it the next day.
Emerald sucks. It's a serious fact. It doesn't even compare to aura. Any Coronado product is better than emerald. Ultra spec is better than emerald. Cashmere is better than emerald.
kdpaint and PACman like this.
Exactoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2016, 09:12 PM   #29
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 988
Rewards Points: 1,982
Thanks: 72
Thanked 123 Times in 103 Posts
View Mr Smith's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exactoman View Post
Emerald sucks. It's a serious fact. It doesn't even compare to aura. Any Coronado product is better than emerald. Ultra spec is better than emerald. Cashmere is better than emerald.
Aura is one of the worst paints on the market in terms of usability. I'm sure it's a tough durable coating after it has cured. It's similar to Behr Premium Plus Ultra in that it runs and dries super fast. I certainly wouldn't use it on a big wall or high stairwell.

I do like Aura Bath & Spa though.

Emerald is the best paint that I have ever used and I've used most of them.
thamberg likes this.

Last edited by Mr Smith; 07-31-2016 at 09:14 PM..
Mr Smith is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Mr Smith For This Useful Post:
thamberg (08-02-2016)
Old 08-02-2016, 01:40 AM   #30
Senior Member
 
Clearlycut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: bay area
Posts: 216
Rewards Points: 91
Thanks: 333
Thanked 96 Times in 60 Posts
View Clearlycut's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Aura matte i agree is prolly not the best solution for a wall that gets alot of angular light. Aura has a very high amount of solids. It levels like a dream tho in all sheens. Eggshell is the best to work with in my opinion.
Regal matte rolls better than anything. And ive never had flashing issues very slightly in darker colors i suppose. (Mind u i dont use ben moore but love it).
Ive found that most issues i have encountered in the past were application related.
It is a beast of a paint almost too much in the can.
Aura will look good 8 yrs from now though on those walls

Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk
thamberg likes this.
Clearlycut is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Clearlycut For This Useful Post:
thamberg (08-02-2016)
Old 08-03-2016, 11:46 PM   #31
Senior Member
 
Seattlepainting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Seattle
Posts: 413
Rewards Points: 282
Thanks: 184
Thanked 247 Times in 147 Posts
View Seattlepainting's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PACman View Post
What are you comparing SW and Dulux to as far as ease of application is concerned? They are both pretty much middle of the road in that respect as far as my side by side testing is concerned. Better then typical box store brands but not up to snuff with some good regional brands or P&L. There is a lot of personal preference involved as well, of course. That being said I really don't think Aura is actually harder to apply, it's just different to apply. Let the cut dry, roll quick, and don't re-roll an area until it is completely. Different then SW but not really any more difficult.
Love your Avatar!!
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Seattlepainting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2016, 08:00 AM   #32
Senior Member
 
PACman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: North central Ohio
Posts: 11,338
Rewards Points: 158
Thanks: 2,999
Thanked 4,710 Times in 3,177 Posts
View PACman's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seattlepainting View Post
Love your Avatar!!
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice it! Kind of a subversive political statement.
__________________
"One who dares not offend cannot be honest." Thomas Paine-patriot

"I'll have a double scotch with a twist of bourbon" Rodney Dangerfield
PACman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2016, 02:18 PM   #33
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Chicago near north suburbs
Posts: 1,315
Rewards Points: 2,672
Thanks: 540
Thanked 326 Times in 251 Posts
View futtyos's Photo Album My Photos
Default Good paint, bad paint?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exactoman View Post
Emerald sucks. It's a serious fact. It doesn't even compare to aura. Any Coronado product is better than emerald. Ultra spec is better than emerald. Cashmere is better than emerald.
I find it interesting to read the various comments on different paints. From reading some of the posts here, I am inclined to think that various members are in parallel universes. In some universes Aura is king and Emerald is garbage. In another parallel universe the opposite is true. How could this be? I have not had the good fortune to use either yet.

Most of my work is for people who are getting their houses ready for sale, so I try to use paint that is reasonably priced and performs well. When I started painting again back in 2012, I went with Behr because it was easy for me to get and did not have a price that would send a customer into an apoplectic fit. Also, I was not getting any significant discount at the BM or SW stores.

I have had very good success with a number of Behr products, both interior and exterior. I just used their Low-Lustre Porch & Patio floor paint and it almost covered the white 123 primer on the basement stairs in one coat. A friend who does maintenance on a VFW post near me said that he has tried a number of different paints for exterior wooden steps and this one performs the best. How will it hold up on the basement stairs? I probably will never know since the house will be sold.

I am not saying that all of Behr's products are good. I am slow to try new things unless I get enough good feedback, either positive or negative, to go and try something. Or, if a certain paint is spec'd on a job and I have to use it.

I used BM Ultra on walls in a condo last year. The GC bought it because his client picked out BM colors, so he figured why not just get BM paint. Based on my experience with that, I would never use it again, especially when I have the low tier Behr Premium Plus available. I much prefer the Behr PP Ultra Interior over the plain PP, but I find that the Behr PP outperforms the BM ULtra, at least in my parallel universe!

I do look forward to using left over paint on touch-up jobs so I can see how the various brands of paint apply. I have had some good success with Cashmere Low Lustre and semi-gloss as well as some Dutch Boy semi-gloss that allowed me to make a bunch of problems just dissapear. The CHB flat wall paint did not seem to cover that well, good enough for touching up over itself, but I would not buy it for a new job.

I am reluctant to say that I am a Behr paint enthusiast for fear of most here coming down on me like a pack of ravenous wolves, but after reading the pro and con posts here for Aura and Emerald (and others), I am coming to the conclusion that we all may be in separate, but parallel universes. In some of those, Aura is the best. In others, Emerald. Who am I to argue with what others say about a particular product without actually seeing the jobs that they used a particular product on? Conversely, who here can tell me that Behr sucks when most (not all) of my experiences have been very positive with the Behr paint I have used? The only valid argument I could imagine against using Behr would probably come from PACman where he might say "yeah, it goes on okay, but it does not perform over the long haul." And he may very well be correct. Hopefully I won't ever get the same complaints like Jpaints111 got from using Promar 200!

If I get a chance to use Aura or Emerald and fall in love with either (or both, but that might not happen in the parallel universe I find myself in!), then I will be able to comment on my experience with them.

I just find it hard to believe that one member here will swear that paint A is the best and B the worst and have another say the opposite and that both painters can be correct.

Could it be that the main problem is in the application of a particular paint and that some painters are so used to applying paint a certain way that they do not want to learn a new way to apply a different paint? How many here can afford to do experiments on every job like PACman experiments with paint in his shop? Don't most of you just want to get the job done right the first time and get a check?

All that being said, I do like Exactoman's comment in #8 (and #23) about using a Wooster 9 " wide 5/16" Micro Plush cover for any paint with a sheen (the Micro Plush also comes in 14 and 18 inch wide covers). This is my new go-to roller cover. I also use it for flat paint as the Behr PP Ultra has a slight sheen to it like many flats do today. The 5/16" Micro Plush does need to have the edge trimmed to avoid roller lines (both before and during the first use of rolling), but it seems to me that it rolls almost the same going up or down as far as getting an even coat without producing the subtle "mohair" effect, or lap marks, that makes us all want to finish rolling in one direction only.

Enough for now.

futtyos
futtyos is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to futtyos For This Useful Post:
AngieM (08-04-2016), Rbriggs82 (08-04-2016)
Old 08-04-2016, 05:32 PM   #34
Senior Member
 
AngieM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa
Posts: 568
Rewards Points: 74
Thanks: 523
Thanked 222 Times in 149 Posts
View AngieM's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Very insightful @futtyos. I hate to admit I'm a PM200 fan. I've used it my repeat costumers homes, and every time I go back, it looks great. Time will tell.
AngieM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2016, 09:56 PM   #35
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Chicago near north suburbs
Posts: 1,315
Rewards Points: 2,672
Thanks: 540
Thanked 326 Times in 251 Posts
View futtyos's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngieM View Post
Very insightful @futtyos. I hate to admit I'm a PM200 fan. I've used it my repeat costumers homes, and every time I go back, it looks great. Time will tell.
AngieM, thank you for your kind words.

I just reread all of the posts in the thread "My first real problem in 20 years" and found that the OP Jpaints111 never actually mentions the lower tier paint that he used on the job, even though several members asked him. You mentioned that you like to use Pro Mar 200 and several others posted comments about PM 200. I believe I may have used this to touch-up a house that was going to be sold and don't recall having any problems with it, although how much of a problem can one have touching up a repair job with the original paint (provided it is still usable)?

The only paint that I definitely recall being unhappy using is BM Ultra Spec. This was on a job where I was working around the GC (he remodels condos in a downtown Chicago highrise) who was busy doing all kinds of other tasks in and around where I was working. I was not very enthusiastic with how the Ultra Spec flat did not withstand getting scuff marks from touching it in the slightest way. I don't recall the Behr Premium Plus doing that and that is the GC's normal go to flat paint for walls.

If PM 200 works for you, more power to you. In the other thread you mentioned that "I use PM 200/'s new Low Sheen. Perhaps I'm drinking the kool aid, but I've been really impressed by the hide, low sheen and touch up ability. I don't have any feedback on the long term durability so maybe that will come to bite me. But I can get highly reflective window walls to look great using this contractor grade paint.
It covers in one coat with the extra white base."
I will have to mention this to the GC I work for down in Chicago.

futtyos
futtyos is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2016, 01:33 AM   #36
RH
Moderator
 
RH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 19,072
Rewards Points: 6,570
Thanks: 11,798
Thanked 15,500 Times in 8,156 Posts
View RH's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by futtyos View Post
AngieM, thank you for your kind words.

I just reread all of the posts in the thread "My first real problem in 20 years" and found that the OP Jpaints111 never actually mentions the lower tier paint that he used on the job, even though several members asked him. You mentioned that you like to use Pro Mar 200 and several others posted comments about PM 200. I believe I may have used this to touch-up a house that was going to be sold and don't recall having any problems with it, although how much of a problem can one have touching up a repair job with the original paint (provided it is still usable)?

The only paint that I definitely recall being unhappy using is BM Ultra Spec. This was on a job where I was working around the GC (he remodels condos in a downtown Chicago highrise) who was busy doing all kinds of other tasks in and around where I was working. I was not very enthusiastic with how the Ultra Spec flat did not withstand getting scuff marks from touching it in the slightest way. I don't recall the Behr Premium Plus doing that and that is the GC's normal go to flat paint for walls.

If PM 200 works for you, more power to you. In the other thread you mentioned that "I use PM 200/'s new Low Sheen. Perhaps I'm drinking the kool aid, but I've been really impressed by the hide, low sheen and touch up ability. I don't have any feedback on the long term durability so maybe that will come to bite me. But I can get highly reflective window walls to look great using this contractor grade paint.
It covers in one coat with the extra white base."
I will have to mention this to the GC I work for down in Chicago.

futtyos
I believe he only states that he used a SW product. Others made the leap to it being PM200.
__________________
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning ten cents in the lottery.”

Bill Watterson
RH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2016, 07:19 AM   #37
King Dude
 
Rbriggs82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 6,575
Thanks: 4,831
Thanked 5,096 Times in 2,909 Posts
View Rbriggs82's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by futtyos View Post
AngieM, thank you for your kind words.

I just reread all of the posts in the thread "My first real problem in 20 years" and found that the OP Jpaints111 never actually mentions the lower tier paint that he used on the job, even though several members asked him. You mentioned that you like to use Pro Mar 200 and several others posted comments about PM 200. I believe I may have used this to touch-up a house that was going to be sold and don't recall having any problems with it, although how much of a problem can one have touching up a repair job with the original paint (provided it is still usable)?

The only paint that I definitely recall being unhappy using is BM Ultra Spec. This was on a job where I was working around the GC (he remodels condos in a downtown Chicago highrise) who was busy doing all kinds of other tasks in and around where I was working. I was not very enthusiastic with how the Ultra Spec flat did not withstand getting scuff marks from touching it in the slightest way. I don't recall the Behr Premium Plus doing that and that is the GC's normal go to flat paint for walls.

If PM 200 works for you, more power to you. In the other thread you mentioned that "I use PM 200/'s new Low Sheen. Perhaps I'm drinking the kool aid, but I've been really impressed by the hide, low sheen and touch up ability. I don't have any feedback on the long term durability so maybe that will come to bite me. But I can get highly reflective window walls to look great using this contractor grade paint.
It covers in one coat with the extra white base."
I will have to mention this to the GC I work for down in Chicago.

futtyos
Nope you're not drinking the Kool Aid. The PM200 Low Sheen is pretty good stuff. I painted a small hall that gets tons of abuse with it in my own house. It's been three years and has stood up well against the beating my two little kids dish out.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Rbriggs82 is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Rbriggs82 For This Useful Post:
AngieM (08-06-2016)
Old 08-05-2016, 10:22 AM   #38
Senior Member
 
PACman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: North central Ohio
Posts: 11,338
Rewards Points: 158
Thanks: 2,999
Thanked 4,710 Times in 3,177 Posts
View PACman's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RH View Post
I believe he only states that he used a SW product. Others made the leap to it being PM200.
Short jump, i might add.
__________________
"One who dares not offend cannot be honest." Thomas Paine-patriot

"I'll have a double scotch with a twist of bourbon" Rodney Dangerfield
PACman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2016, 11:16 AM   #39
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Chicago near north suburbs
Posts: 1,315
Rewards Points: 2,672
Thanks: 540
Thanked 326 Times in 251 Posts
View futtyos's Photo Album My Photos
Default My bad.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RH View Post
I believe he only states that he used a SW product. Others made the leap to it being PM200.
Guilty as charged!
futtyos is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2016, 11:39 AM   #40
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Toronto
Posts: 105
Rewards Points: 220
Thanks: 6
Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts
View stl911's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by futtyos View Post
I find it interesting to read the various comments on different paints. From reading some of the posts here, I am inclined to think that various members are in parallel universes. In some universes Aura is king and Emerald is garbage. In another parallel universe the opposite is true. How could this be? I have not had the good fortune to use either yet.

Most of my work is for people who are getting their houses ready for sale, so I try to use paint that is reasonably priced and performs well. When I started painting again back in 2012, I went with Behr because it was easy for me to get and did not have a price that would send a customer into an apoplectic fit. Also, I was not getting any significant discount at the BM or SW stores.

I have had very good success with a number of Behr products, both interior and exterior. I just used their Low-Lustre Porch & Patio floor paint and it almost covered the white 123 primer on the basement stairs in one coat. A friend who does maintenance on a VFW post near me said that he has tried a number of different paints for exterior wooden steps and this one performs the best. How will it hold up on the basement stairs? I probably will never know since the house will be sold.

I am not saying that all of Behr's products are good. I am slow to try new things unless I get enough good feedback, either positive or negative, to go and try something. Or, if a certain paint is spec'd on a job and I have to use it.

I used BM Ultra on walls in a condo last year. The GC bought it because his client picked out BM colors, so he figured why not just get BM paint. Based on my experience with that, I would never use it again, especially when I have the low tier Behr Premium Plus available. I much prefer the Behr PP Ultra Interior over the plain PP, but I find that the Behr PP outperforms the BM ULtra, at least in my parallel universe!

I do look forward to using left over paint on touch-up jobs so I can see how the various brands of paint apply. I have had some good success with Cashmere Low Lustre and semi-gloss as well as some Dutch Boy semi-gloss that allowed me to make a bunch of problems just dissapear. The CHB flat wall paint did not seem to cover that well, good enough for touching up over itself, but I would not buy it for a new job.

I am reluctant to say that I am a Behr paint enthusiast for fear of most here coming down on me like a pack of ravenous wolves, but after reading the pro and con posts here for Aura and Emerald (and others), I am coming to the conclusion that we all may be in separate, but parallel universes. In some of those, Aura is the best. In others, Emerald. Who am I to argue with what others say about a particular product without actually seeing the jobs that they used a particular product on? Conversely, who here can tell me that Behr sucks when most (not all) of my experiences have been very positive with the Behr paint I have used? The only valid argument I could imagine against using Behr would probably come from PACman where he might say "yeah, it goes on okay, but it does not perform over the long haul." And he may very well be correct. Hopefully I won't ever get the same complaints like Jpaints111 got from using Promar 200!

If I get a chance to use Aura or Emerald and fall in love with either (or both, but that might not happen in the parallel universe I find myself in!), then I will be able to comment on my experience with them.

I just find it hard to believe that one member here will swear that paint A is the best and B the worst and have another say the opposite and that both painters can be correct.

Could it be that the main problem is in the application of a particular paint and that some painters are so used to applying paint a certain way that they do not want to learn a new way to apply a different paint? How many here can afford to do experiments on every job like PACman experiments with paint in his shop? Don't most of you just want to get the job done right the first time and get a check?

All that being said, I do like Exactoman's comment in #8 (and #23) about using a Wooster 9 " wide 5/16" Micro Plush cover for any paint with a sheen (the Micro Plush also comes in 14 and 18 inch wide covers). This is my new go-to roller cover. I also use it for flat paint as the Behr PP Ultra has a slight sheen to it like many flats do today. The 5/16" Micro Plush does need to have the edge trimmed to avoid roller lines (both before and during the first use of rolling), but it seems to me that it rolls almost the same going up or down as far as getting an even coat without producing the subtle "mohair" effect, or lap marks, that makes us all want to finish rolling in one direction only.

Enough for now.

futtyos
i am not sure why most people here does not like behr, i never had any issue with it. it covers and hide very well for one coat. futtyos, do you have any chance to try behr pro i100? i am thinking to use it for low end job instead of bm ultraspec
stl911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
None

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Benjamin Moore Advance question Always Learning General Painting Discussion 6 01-06-2019 09:44 AM
Best Exterior Paint and What Type of Finish? twelvegates Surface Preparation and Application 17 06-02-2016 09:21 AM
Benjamin Moore UK EnglishDecorator General Painting Discussion 16 01-04-2016 01:06 PM
Benjamin Moore advance sm2buck General Painting Discussion 27 12-30-2015 11:56 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Our Pro Sites Network
ContractorTalk.com | DrywallTalk.com | ElectricianTalk.com | HVACSite.com | PlumbingZone.com | RoofingTalk.com