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Old 12-12-2011, 10:13 PM   #41
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Although I want to know how it is for a next day sand. That is very important for us.
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Although I want to know how it is for a next day sand. That is very important for us.
I have several more doors I'm going to prime this week, I will let you know.

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Better primers out there, but advance sprays out beautiful in the semi gloss version. It looks like oil when dry.
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I absolutely love this primer. ....... I let them dry over the weekend and they sanded like a dream today.

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Good to know. I found a half gallon from another job, so hopefully I can give this stuff a try.

I can't see how a new product that is comparative to other brands would not hold to the properties that are VERY important for workability and ease. So, I do find your experience encouraging.
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funny for the 1st time in a long time i talked a con't out of advance and since i do not have a "replacement" for said product yet. he asked me about the new pro classic water/ oil dealio. anyone use this yet? if you any feedback would be nice
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Yes, Zinsser 123 gives you better finish
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funny for the 1st time in a long time i talked a con't out of advance and since i do not have a "replacement" for said product yet. he asked me about the new pro classic water/ oil dealio. anyone use this yet? if you any feedback would be nice
Do yourself a favor if your looking for a water/ oil hybrid and set your nav to BM. My experiences out of the can with no adds says advance is far more workable and does the best job of an oil clone. For me the open time and workability of PC didn't approach advance! Although advance is no Impervo it has a short learning curve and it's final appearance is very good .
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Do yourself a favor if your looking for a water/ oil hybrid and set your nav to BM. My experiences out of the can with no adds says advance is far more workable and does the best job of an oil clone. For me the open time and workability of PC didn't approach advance! Although advance is no Impervo it has a short learning curve and it's final appearance is very good .
From what I understand, Advance is not a "hybrid". It is an oil product, suspended in a latex vehicle. My technical jargon is terrible, and when the technology was explained to me it was dumb'd WAY down so please forgive.
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Do yourself a favor if your looking for a water/ oil hybrid and set your nav to BM. My experiences out of the can with no adds says advance is far more workable and does the best job of an oil clone. For me the open time and workability of PC didn't approach advance! Although advance is no Impervo it has a short learning curve and it's final appearance is very good .
funny i just talked to a con't who said nearly word for word that same thing. dries way to fast and brush marks everywhere. the job was spec'd for said product he wanted to use SI oil, which was a far cry from PC. then again nothing is.
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From what I understand, Advance is not a "hybrid". It is an oil product, suspended in a latex vehicle. My technical jargon is terrible, and when the technology was explained to me it was dumb'd WAY down so please forgive.
i heard the same thing..... i am not sure what that means. when i hear paint and vehicle i think of a work truck
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I would think "oil suspended in water" pretty much would define hybrid..?!
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I would think "oil suspended in water" pretty much would define hybrid..?!
I was going to point out webster's definition but now I don't have to! Thanks !!
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funny for the 1st time in a long time i talked a con't out of advance and since i do not have a "replacement" for said product yet. he asked me about the new pro classic water/ oil dealio. anyone use this yet? if you any feedback would be nice
I haven't yet, am planning to do some shop testing in Jan. Advance has a learning curve but once you adjust the finish quality is fantastic, I am sure PC/hybrid would as well. Only thing I am unsure of with advance is the finish durability over time vs other enamels.
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As far as the primer goes here is a sneak peak at some testing I have done until I can publish the full article.

Application in this example was done with a 4" microfiber over yellow pine that had been stained and cleared with poly. It was thoroughly sanded and cleaned before application.

I had to wait 36 hrs to get it to sand to a powder. The knots bled through, and there was little to no hiding or sealing. A couple of coats of cs from a rattle can was required to seal them.







Finish product, three top coats Advance satin shot through an hvlp.
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I have several more doors I'm going to prime this week, I will let you know.

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Primed these doors yesterday and 24 hours later it powered up nicely. I did thin it a little more then the first time because I was runny a little low and did not want to get another gallon.

Just wanted to update about the next day thing. btw the pink shade you seeing is from the camera on my phone.

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Pat is your humidity low there?
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Pat is your humidity low there?
Seems low, been windy but just looked it up and it says 66%. Maybe that's because the its early evening or something.

I think the main factor on drying times for this product is the type of surface you are putting it on. These were pre primed mdf doors. Which we all know the primer that these things come with is junk. I'm guessing the dry time would take much longer on something that is completely sealed. New wood I would imagine should be good to go after 24 hours.

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SL - Looks like it sprayed nicely through your HVLP and gave you a great looking finished product. What size tip and how much thinning?
I've been looking for a waterborne product that I could run through my HVLP and get good results on trim and doors (especially doors). I've been hoping the Advance might be it.

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Dan - if I was blindfolded and was asked to spray this product through my airless and did not know the product. I would swear it was oil. I'm talking about the primer. The advance finish, you can tell its waterbase, it has that sound and pattern of a wb.

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Dan - if I was blindfolded and was asked to spray this product through my airless and did not know the product. I would swear it was oil. I'm talking about the primer. The advance finish, you can tell its waterbase, it has that sound and pattern of a wb.

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Good to hear about the primer. Have you ever sprayed the Advance finish through an HVLP? I get great results with oil but not so much with waterbased products. Hoping the "hybrids" might be the answer but haven't experimented with the Advance yet.
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