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Old 08-16-2015, 12:38 PM   #1
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Hello,

I have appreciated all the helpful posts people have made to the forums regarding using breakthrough on cabinets.

I was hoping to get some advice as I ld like to use it on an upcoming oak cabinet job.

I have never used it before. Mainly I am wondering if people use any primer before since it seems to have amazing bonding capabilities. I assumed you still prime for bleeding/staining reasons but thought I'd ask.

Also...on oak cabinets does anyone use any grain filler if the client wants the grain reduced or does breakthrough fill the grain on its own.

Thank you for any advice in advance offer....much appreciated.



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Old 08-16-2015, 01:47 PM   #2
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Yes it has very good adhesion properties. You still need to clean, sand, and spot prime. No it will not fill the grain it is a very thin product. Test for adhesion before doing the whole set.
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Breakthrough is not going to help much with the grain. At least not any more than any other paint.

I do oak sets pretty frequently and do both prime, and grain reduction steps most of the time. But it's not like you have to fill the grain. Some people think painted oak looks just fine, and I've done a couple like that.

Just make sure you and the client know what the final look will be if the grain is not reduced. You can do quite a bit to reduce the grain just by hand applying primer and working it into the grain. You can usually at least fill the pin holes.

If your not familiar with the look, maybe Google some pics of filled oak v/s painted.
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Thank you. That's kinda what I figured...I appreciate the help. Looking forward to giving it a try.


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We just finished an oak job. We primed the boxes with Ppg seal grip latex for the white cabs to block stain bleed. Following repaint Floridas advice we didn't prime the lower boxes which were going dark grey. Did those by hand. When we shot the doors we primed both white and grey with Bin Advanced for stain blocking and building more product to fill grain. Worked great
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Slightly off topic, but I've never been asked to reduce the grain appearance of oak cabinets when painting. I even painted mine some time ago and the wife was thrilled with the painted grain look. A homeowner once told me they didn't want cabinets that looked like "cheap MDF". Maybe it's a southern thing.


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Thanks Damon. Curious...went didn't you prime the dark boxes? Stains wouldn't show through? Sounds like you liked the ppg.seal grip? Why switch the primer for the doors?

I appreciate all the help. Trying to expand my services into cabinet repaint and this will be my first job....very small. Very comfortable with a sprayer...considering picking up a AAA.

Any other thoughts /advice are appreciated.


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Not sure radio...I have had several home owners ask for cabinet repaint bids...all were oak and all wanted to eliminate the grain. All were too large for me to get my feet wet with


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try reading this

https://www.painttalk.com/f2/kitchen-...ando-fl-34377/

maybe it's answer a few questions you have



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Thanks repaint. I have read this thread many times...it is what lead me to want to try working with breakthrough as well as a AAA. I very much appreciate all the information you took the time to share in it.

BTW...I have had a tough time finding those metal hangers from ikea...hopefully they still carry them.

I am still curious why you wouldn't prime the dark colored boxes. The island in the job I have will be black so I am very much interested. Also...Why use two different primers as Damon described?

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[QUOTE=lovasnj;897282]Thanks repaint. I have read this thread many times...it is what lead me to want to try working with breakthrough as well as a AAA. I very much appreciate all the information you took the time to share in it.

BTW...I have had a tough time finding those metal hangers from ikea...hopefully they still carry them.

I am still curious why you wouldn't prime the dark colored boxes. The island in the job I have will be black so I am very much interested. Also...Why use two different primers as Damon described?

Thanks again.

Glad the post was of use to you, i enjoy painting cabinets so wanted to share

good luck with the hangers they are hard to find, i bought 200 of them

as far as primmer i use seal grip when needed

also i bought a few old door and paint the front only so the ho can see the grain painted, never had trouble selling it, and they can see the back side unpainted

good luck and post some pic when you paint them
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Thank you. I'm not giving up on the hangers yet

One thing...you say that you use seal grip when needed. I figured you would always need to prime for strain blocking/adhesion...is this not always the case? Sorry...it's just new to me and I'm trying to have ducks in a row as much as possible.

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Yep. Darker didn't seem to bleed. Switched primer for doors just cuz we had a bunch in the shop and had good luck with the Bin Advanced on the last cabinet job. Sticks great. Seal grip worked good too.
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Thanks Damon.


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