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Cabinet goof, please advise.

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Tried out a new guy last week, supposedly had experience in body shop paint prep. Gave him some 320 sand paper, a brief tutorial, and put him sanding a kitchen. At first it went fine, but right at the end of the set he went to get more paper and grabbed 180 instead of 320.

Unfortunately its on the most visible parts of the set, the refrigerator panels and a finished end right by the sink.

I tried to buff it out with some 600, but the existing finish was WB and it's scratched pretty deeply. Sprayed a coat of Advance and they look terrible. The rest of the set came out sweet, but the two panels and one finished end are terrible.

Any ideas on fixing this? I'm hesitant to try to fix it just by sanding again and re coating, because if it doesn't work i'll just have wasted more material and another day. If I have to prime, what would be a good primer? Thought about cover stain, but then I would probably have to do two more top coats to get the sheen to match. Even then it might be too shiny.

Might not be anyway to avoid redoing the whole set, I just hope I Can fix it. Really need to get this done tomorrow, and not sure how to proceed. TIA
 

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Jmayspaint said:
Tried out a new guy last week, supposedly had experience in body shop paint prep. Gave him some 320 sand paper, a brief tutorial, and put him sanding a kitchen. At first it went fine, but right at the end of the set he went to get more paper and grabbed 180 instead of 320. Unfortunately its on the most visible parts of the set, the refrigerator panels and a finished end right by the sink. I tried to buff it out with some 600, but the existing finish was WB and it's scratched pretty deeply. Sprayed a coat of Advance and they look terrible. The rest of the set came out sweet, but the two panels and one finished end are terrible. Any ideas on fixing this? I'm hesitant to try to fix it just by sanding again and re coating, because if it doesn't work i'll just have wasted more material and another day. If I have to prime, what would be a good primer? Thought about cover stain, but then I would probably have to do two more top coats to get the sheen to match. Even then it might be too shiny. Might not be anyway to avoid redoing the whole set, I just hope I Can fix it. Really need to get this done tomorrow, and not sure how to proceed. TIA
wet sand it out with 600. Advanced wet sands very nicely.
 
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Since you're using advance I would stick with BM products and apply a coat of 046 high build primer. I like Excels idea of wet sanding the advance first. Are you spraying the paint? Advance does show sanding scratches easily. It you are spraying just build up a couple coats of 046, sand and you should be good to go. These things happen. Keep on rockin.
 
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Hmmm.....since he did some auto spraying I am thinking of glazing puddy from an tube that is usually used in body shops when there's sand lines in the bondo. It dries quickly and sands easily. Its gonna need to be primed again though, as it is red. I have used it when I worked in a wood shop in the past to fill in slight surface scratches in paintable wood like you describe.
 
#15 ·
Well, I sanded the affected areas down going 220-320-600wet. Sanded the rest of the set again and shot the whole thing.

The finished end looks good now but the panels are still scratched. Should have primed.

Al least the two refrigerator panels are kind of set apart from the rest, so I should be able to deal with them alone without having to worry about them not matching, now that the whole set has two coats.

Think ill try the 046 next, the scratches are improved to the point that I think two more coats will hide them without needing to use a filler.


Thanks everybody
 
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Well it all turned out ok. I kept thinking that I should be able to sand the scratches out of the Advance, so I didn't prime.

One odd thing was that after two days drying time the Advance sanded well with 320, powdered up nicely. But dry sanding with 600 it waned to roll up, would not powder at all. Had to be careful and clean the paper regularly or I could have marred the finish with a 'roll'.

They aren't perfect, I really should have primed. As good as the Advance does sand, it lacks hiding power when it comes to defects. It shows Everything.

One 30 minute screw up cost me 10 hrs and a gallon of paint. The guy had cross grained the styles at the tops and bottoms on almost every door. Luckily that was done mostly with the 320 and sanded out easily. Cost me an extra coat though.

This is the finished end and the panels that were scratched, and a couple pics of parts of the rest of the set. I'm pretty happy with them for the most part.

I about lost my mind when this first happened, thanks for the tips and moral support;)
 

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painter1986 said:
They came out great! I would have agreed with the primer suggestion. Love that BIN. We've used Bondo and sanded smooth like Oden suggested and been happy with the results.

I think that would have been the only way to do it with a filler. I was afraid if I spot filled the scratches it would show a shiny spot or something and I'm not a good enough skimmer to try bondo, probably come out wavy looking.
 
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Mostly "tattooed", except the doors towards the bottom of stack, were caved in the film. I thought it would be fine with breakthrough, I've used it on a couple of floors, but this was my 1st for cabinets. Tech guy thinks it's from putting it on to thick? I dunno put 2 coats on in 1 day no sags or anything, didn't measure the mil. Thickness , hard leasson learned on this one.
 
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Jmayspaint said:
Well it all turned out ok. I kept thinking that I should be able to sand the scratches out of the Advance, so I didn't prime. One odd thing was that after two days drying time the Advance sanded well with 320, powdered up nicely. But dry sanding with 600 it waned to roll up, would not powder at all. Had to be careful and clean the paper regularly or I could have marred the finish with a 'roll'. They aren't perfect, I really should have primed. As good as the Advance does sand, it lacks hiding power when it comes to defects. It shows Everything. One 30 minute screw up cost me 10 hrs and a gallon of paint. The guy had cross grained the styles at the tops and bottoms on almost every door. Luckily that was done mostly with the 320 and sanded out easily. Cost me an extra coat though. This is the finished end and the panels that were scratched, and a couple pics of parts of the rest of the set. I'm pretty happy with them for the most part. I about lost my mind when this first happened, thanks for the tips and moral support;)
Beautiful work and good pictures! Those are definitely website and Facebook worthy. I love seeing reflections in advanced!
 
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