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Old 12-16-2015, 07:29 PM   #21
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I sold it for 9 years. About the same as anyone's mid grade contractor line. Covers a little better then PM400 but not quite as well as 200. Won't discolor or scuff up as fast as the Promar lines will though, if that is a concern. Chances are the new owners are going to re-paint anyway after they rub the paint off moving in.
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And you worked for PPG or porter??
I never hear anybody talking about that product how close is it to the Speed hide or ultra spec?
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I ended up going from Promar 200 flat and eggshell to PPG Ultrahide 150 eggshell with Pittsburgh premium flat ceiling paint. I ended up saving around $7 dollars per gal. Times that by 80 units and it adds up. Lately we have been spoiled with using aura but that is just not going to be the case for every job.
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i use ultra spec for walls in new construction (high end homes not sub division crap) and with a decent primer it looks great and lasts long enough considering most of these home owners repaint their homes every other year lol.

Imo any where you can save money without dropping your job quality past a certain point, is worth it. We are after all running a business.

However for a repaint, I would never buy ultra spec. You'll save money but you'll lose time applying more coats.
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I tell customers with little or no knowledge about paint quality that ask for the cheapest paint . Well you can buy it and learn the hard way, or just buy the better paint.
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Old 12-16-2015, 10:46 PM   #25
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You used 80 gallons on a repainted flip? Interior?
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You used 80 gallons on a repainted flip? Interior?
No that's 80 new condos over a 18 month time frame. 6000 sqft of rock each so about 35 gallons per unit or condo. For the sprayed trim and doors I ended up going with Regal Select.
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The deal I had was basically go in prime and 1 coat of finish. After 1 year I go back and repaint all living area walls. No baths, closets or ceilings. So far everything has been holding up pretty good other then a few dings and dents and a lot off wear and tear in stairwells. Once the second finish coat goes on it really looks decent and has good coverage.
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It's not the paint that fails, it's the lousy prep, application, and rush to beat the weather conditions that compromise paint films. And you know I'm right...right?
I absolutely disagree, I purchased some CIL low sheen and NEVER will again! It was practically impossible to keep it from gumming up, it took 4 coats and no one else seemed to notice, but it is still not nice and even. I just gave up after the fourth coat.

Almost any other brand would have done the job really well at three coats. It was a golden yellow, after all, BUT 4 COATS!

Needless to say, the client purchased the paint.

(oddly, I loved their cabinet paint and the true flat was adequate)
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I absolutely disagree, I purchased some CIL low sheen and NEVER will again! It was practically impossible to keep it from gumming up, it took 4 coats and no one else seemed to notice, but it is still not nice and even. I just gave up after the fourth coat.

Almost any other brand would have done the job really well at three coats. It was a golden yellow, after all, BUT 4 COATS!

Needless to say, the client purchased the paint.

(oddly, I loved their cabinet paint and the true flat was adequate)
Maybe the method of application was wrong. Some paints like to be sprayed rather than brushed or rolled. Again, not a material fail, but rather, operator error.
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So let me get this right
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And you worked for PPG or porter??
I never hear anybody talking about that product how close is it to the Speed hide or ultra spec?
I worked for PPG in a dual branded store. Pittsburgh and Porter.
It has a bit less hide then Speedhide. It's probably more like Speedcraft. It touches up a bit better then both, at least the flat.
It is a couple spots down from Ultraspec all around.
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I ended up going from Promar 200 flat and eggshell to PPG Ultrahide 150 eggshell with Pittsburgh premium flat ceiling paint. I ended up saving around $7 dollars per gal. Times that by 80 units and it adds up. Lately we have been spoiled with using aura but that is just not going to be the case for every job.
What if a particular paint could cut your cut in time in half and would cost you $3-4 a gallon more than what you used? Would that interest you? Because i have paints that will do that over Promar 200 and Ultrahide. Even on big jobs, rental properties and new construction and the like, There are paints that can save you significant time over those two products and cost a few dollars a gallon more.
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When buying a "flipped" house, do you really think you're getting Aura inside or out? I've painted MANY projects like this and most interiors got PM 200. I don't like 400 and not worth the "savings". As stated before, I would use BM Ultra Spec more, but it's at least $12 per gallon higher (for me) than PM 200.

I also can't stand "customer supplied" paint. Even if it's decent stuff, unfamiliar paint is just as slow as cheap paint.


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When buying a "flipped" house, do you really think you're getting Aura inside or out? I've painted MANY projects like this and most interiors got PM 200. I don't like 400 and not worth the "savings". As stated before, I would use BM Ultra Spec more, but it's at least $12 per gallon higher (for me) than PM 200.

I also can't stand "customer supplied" paint. Even if it's decent stuff, unfamiliar paint is just as slow as cheap paint.


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keep up the good work with Promar 200! Just make sure to leave the cans at the job when you are done so they know what was used. It makes it a lot easier on me.
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When buying a "flipped" house, do you really think you're getting Aura inside or out? I've painted MANY projects like this and most interiors got PM 200. I don't like 400 and not worth the "savings". As stated before, I would use BM Ultra Spec more, but it's at least $12 per gallon higher (for me) than PM 200.

I also can't stand "customer supplied" paint. Even if it's decent stuff, unfamiliar paint is just as slow as cheap paint.


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What if a particular paint could cut your cut in time in half and would cost you $3-4 a gallon more than what you used? Would that interest you? Because i have paints that will do that over Promar 200 and Ultrahide. Even on big jobs, rental properties and new construction and the like, There are paints that can save you significant time over those two products and cost a few dollars a gallon more.
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I agree with PACman. Promar 200 is the way to go for rental properties. Pretty easy on the wallet and gives decent coverage. All the rental property owners always want a cheap paint. I tell them that I will use a lower quality paint but it won't last and they will need me to come repaint when they have to rent it out again. Seems like the main concern they have is something that is easy to touch up. Flat Promar 200 usually works out pretty good for me in these situations.
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I agree with PACman. Promar 200 is the way to go for rental properties. Pretty easy on the wallet and gives decent coverage. All the rental property owners always want a cheap paint. I tell them that I will use a lower quality paint but it won't last and they will need me to come repaint when they have to rent it out again. Seems like the main concern they have is something that is easy to touch up. Flat Promar 200 usually works out pretty good for me in these situations.
Now I'm really confused. This doesn't seem like anything PACman is advocating. I was under the impression that he only likes SW Promar 200 so that all of the homeowners who had their painters apply it, would be running to his store begging him for a remedy for its failure.
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Now I'm really confused. This doesn't seem like anything PACman is advocating. I was under the impression that he only likes SW Promar 200 so that all of the homeowners who had their painters apply it, would be running to his store begging him for a remedy for its failure.
No. It works just as well on rental properties. Especially when the local apartments are paying $35 a gallon for it. But in a rental property whatever paint you use can be ruined within a day of tenants moving in, so use whatever is the cheapest that gets decent coverage. The price they're charging property owners around here is outrageous though.
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Calpro 2000 will easily cut twice as far as Promar 200 will, in the same color on the same substrate using the same brush. My retail is $29.99 but for a big user I can easily go to $17-18 a gallon in fives. Propaint is a little better then Pm200 and I can go down to $15 for it if the volume is high enough. (FYI, volume pricing is the norm with every real paint store).
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