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Old 07-15-2012, 08:59 PM   #1
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Default Cover stain recoat time?

Did a "cover stain" search with 285 results. Nothing in titles about recoat time so I'll start one.

Usually, when cover staining an interior, leave it for the end of the day so you don't have to stick around to ingest all the gassing off of the drying oil.

Occasionally, recoating with latex has to be done next. What's the shortest dry time with good results? I'm going over smooth, well sanded, wallpaper glue (didn't feel like scrubbing) with the cover stain (zinnser).
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1 hour depending on ambient temps and relative humidity.

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You didn't feel like scrubbing? You lazy man! Get a high powered fan, it will excelerate the drying time.
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As soon as my eyes don't burn anymore and I don't feel dizzy anymore it's about time for another go. (I kid)
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You didn't feel like scrubbing? You lazy man! Get a high powered fan, it will excelerate the drying time.
Three rinses and you should still use oil primer so might as well leave the glue on.
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If the glue is heavy and will yield a "poor finish" of course it would have to be scrubbed. But this glue is barely noticeable unless a little water activates it instantly.

I'm done with diff too. That stuff made me sick. And to wash the glue well the diff makes a big diff.

Next time it's the $50 wagner steamer from big box. Also saves $10 bucks a day on diff! Five days of stripping pays for it!
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Nobody mentioned gardz which is what i use after stripping. Less odor and cleanup work. Dries as fast as cs.

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Nobody mentioned gardz which is what i use after stripping. Less odor and cleanup work. Dries as fast as cs.

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Then paint or does it need primer?
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Then paint or does it need primer?
Gardz is primer.

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No more oil. Gardz is the deal for my wallpaper removal jobs. I have the paint store throw a bit of tint to make it more visible.
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Nobody mentioned gardz which is what i use after stripping. Less odor and cleanup work. Dries as fast as cs.

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My glue is super thin. Will it work over really thin, almost invisible glue?
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My glue is super thin. Will it work over really thin, almost invisible glue?
Most likely.

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I know I might be asking too much.
Guardz is probably more like insurance. After the glue is washed off the walls, there's always a chance something is missed and hard to see the misses.
Guardz then will ensure a uniform paint finish.

If the glue is not washed at all but sanded nice and smooth and cover stained, might still be less effort than wash a couple times, dry, and Guardz. The stink from the cs might be the deal breaker.
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I have used cs mainly for wall paper for years
With a fan I was floating within 2 hrs for sure .
Now . Just started using guards ! Wow
Good stuff then read some threads on here
About safe and simple . Wow again .
If the glue is bad then scotch Brite pads and water and krud cutter clean dry and prime .
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Did a "cover stain" search with 285 results. Nothing in titles about recoat time so I'll start one.

Usually, when cover staining an interior, leave it for the end of the day so you don't have to stick around to ingest all the gassing off of the drying oil.

Occasionally, recoating with latex has to be done next. What's the shortest dry time with good results? I'm going over smooth, well sanded, wallpaper glue (didn't feel like scrubbing) with the cover stain (zinnser).
"Recoat" means to apply another coat of the same product!
You mean "when is cover stain dry enough to apply the finish products"?

If you are applying latex over cover stain, when it looks and feels dry, I would go for it.

FYI - wallpaper hangers call wallpaper adhesive "paste", not "glue"!
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I have seen wp paste do weird stuff to finish paint. Kinda eats it and wants to flake off over time.
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"Recoat" means to apply another coat of the same product!
You mean "when is cover stain dry enough to apply the finish products"?

If you are applying latex over cover stain, when it looks and feels dry, I would go for it.

FYI - wallpaper hangers call wallpaper adhesive "paste", not "glue"!
Yes I meant applying finish paint over cs, not the second finish.

Put gripper over the super smooth paste and it swelled the paste, or activated it, and leveled down again as it dried whoow! Scared me a little. But now I don't trust the gripper to seal and I just want to go over it with the cover stain now. Live and learn. Next time maybe I'll try quardz, I was lazy just didn't feel like trying another product. Sorry everyone. You can say I told you so.

Maybe I need to get a rep to give some sample or something. Don't like washing all the paste just to prime anyway. Might as well sand pAste smooth and dive into wonderful cover stain.

Will cover stain fix my situation?
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It's very simple, use gardz. It's what all the cool painters like me use.

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