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Old 06-10-2015, 09:28 PM   #1
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Hi guys. I know i have read this before on here but i cant seem to find it. I have a customer whe wants her oak railing black. It is currently golden oak and spraying would be very difficult. How would you guys attack this. I am thinking a few coats of ebony polyshades would work but seems kind of diy. Any other suggestions for darkening a stain job .
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:33 PM   #2
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PPG industrial enamel. Give it a decent sand for tooth, followed by a prepaint cleaner. Dries in about an hour. No need to spray. Covers in one but second coat gives it better durability.
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By far the coolest way would be to ebonize it with iron acetate, but that would necessitate stripping off the existing finish.

It's what the famous wood finisher George Frank called, "liquid nightmare": iron scraps dissolved in vinegar. Brush on several applications and high-tannin woods, like oak or cherry, turn black. It can be made more quickly with steel wool instead of iron scraps.
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I've done washes of clear lacquer with different amounts of black pigment in it. Brushed on well, and you can adjust the tint to match your needs. No need to strip.

But, if it doesn't need to be semi-transparent, then, yeah, go enamel. PPG is good stuff.
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Sand accordingly and apply by brush 1-2 coats of Old Masters oil based Spanish Oak Gel stain...has a semi gloss finish and covers awesome ...doubt you will need to clear coat when you are done unless the owner wants a duller looking finish . I used it for the first time on an island last week and it is AWESOME product IMO . That product brushes on and covers like a dream !!!
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Does she want it opaque or translucent?
Either way, just sand and brush/roll as usual.
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I am giving her a price for both painting the railing as well as a pigmented poly. I did some samples with polyshades and it worked fine but was looking for some other options. Still not sure what option she is going with.
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Sorry if I'm late to the party

Check out this saman product we use all the time. It's water based and dries super fast

This was all golden oak and then we matched the new flooring with that darker colour.
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I hate working with gel stain. It might be the appropriate product, though.
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Wes Evans....would you feel comfortable using it without a clear coat over it on Oak steps ?
Sounds like a great latex based product which I cannot access around here at this time . Nearest place for us is in the next province NB .
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Sorry if I'm late to the party

Check out this saman product we use all the time. It's water based and dries super fast

This was all golden oak and then we matched the new flooring with that darker colour.

That looks really good WJE. Was that a gel stain? I'm not familiar with that brand
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That looks really good WJE. Was that a gel stain? I'm not familiar with that brand
I looked up the website and it could possibly be a Gel stain/varnish combo product latex based they have listed on the website....would be an amazing product IMO . I thought that Old Masters was great...but was slow drying .
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Long term, the Saman product is terrible. A neighbour of mine had me apply it to their railings. I'd never used it before so I did my research and followed instructions to a T.

Within one year, their railings look like crap. Stuff has worn off everywhere. Initially it looked really, really good. I 4 coated it, and it looked like glass. Now it's dulled virtually everywhere.

Prior to having seen it fail in the long term and liking the initial results, I used it on my desk that I built myself. I put a few coats on the boards before assembling and allowed ample dry time because I was doing it after work over several days. Assembled and within a month it looked horrible. Paper sticking to it like it never cured properly. etc. etc.

If you're gonna use it, I'd suggest putting a few coats of clear on top of it when you're done. Bury the stuff.
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I've had trouble with Saman as well. Can't say I'd use it again.
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Thanks for those answers guys , much appreciated .
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