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Old 07-31-2019, 10:25 PM   #61
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Old 08-10-2019, 06:58 PM   #62
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Even with the same color always paint 2 coats when changing the sheen. The only time you should one coat is when changing to flat. But even changing to flat it may take 2 depending on what you're going over.
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Even with the same color always paint 2 coats when changing the sheen. The only time you should one coat is when changing to flat. But even changing to flat it may take 2 depending on what you're going over.
I disagree. Changing something to flat with one coat usually leaves little micro shiny spots. Not all over the place, but there will usually be a few of them, especially on texture.
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I have been 2 coatings since ages. Even if it looks fine in the first coat it has become a habit to go fo the second coat just to make sure that there are no flaws. From last year I've switched to a different paint, with kamdhenu paints I don't need to go with the second coat.
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:31 AM   #65
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Always do a second coat! So i can sell more paint duh!
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:39 AM   #66
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Before anyone asks, Kamdhenu is a fairly large paint company in India i believe. Really nice website too. Says they have 652 dealers which is a pretty good amount. Don't know if it smells as bad as behr does though.

And welcome Soniyabasera! It's always fun to have input from places other than North America on PT. To bad all the Aussies left. Still don't know what happened to that one guy who went fishing on the rocks that one day.....
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:40 AM   #67
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Dirt, sheen, faded spots, texture differences, minor mistakes all show through 1 coat in places. I always do at least 2 coats (is that better?). Sometimes a third is required.

Years ago, when I was starting painting, I left Behr for good after having to do 4 or 5 coats to get a deep purple color, but only 2 with SW. Never went back, though maybe their premium has improved.

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One thing I'd like to ask... two coats or one on trim? I for a while did one only on trim, as most of the time I was going same color over, or over primer roughly the same color. I guess to some extent I put paint on heavier than some other people (one guy I work for complains about that, not even in the context of runs/drips, just using more paint to do a job than he does...) and tried to use pretty good trim paint so I could do that. Doors rolled would usually get two, but I mean casings, etc, I'd do one. Then working for others, though, they usually wanted two on trim. I had no clients unhappy with one coat on trim, just wondering what people do for that. With one guy I work with just due to my brush choice, technique, etc, he was surprised at some of my trim coming out looking two coated without runs/etc with one coat. But I tend to like brushes like Silver Tips on trim due to having a lot of thinner bristles and being pretty soft, so you can leave a heavier coat and not get brush marks, but also not leave space between the leveled out brush marks.

Thoughts, to open another can of worms?
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Put on as many coats as you can get the HO to pay for but remember if you cause the room to get smaller, they will be pissed!
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Well if there is already 5 coats on the trim and you put on one more coat, how many coats of paint are really on there?!
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Well if there is already 5 coats on the trim and you put on one more coat, how many coats of paint are really on there?!
This is exactly the point I made in another thread. There're times when you just can't avoid applying several coats of paint. Like on a bare substrate for example. But on repaints, it's painters choice, depending on existing coating conditions of course. And it also depends on what the owner will tolerate in terms of budget and aesthetic expectations.

With that said, many manufacturers recommend two coats not only to ensure opacity, but also to ensure claims of other performance qualities, like washability, abrasion resistance, moisture resistance, chemical resistance, and in some cases fire resistance.

I would add that lead encapsulation often requires multiple coats of an appropriate paint to create a sufficient barrier.

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I do one coat on trim a lot. Thats under the "same color" clause, as long as its a repaint. Most people just want a refresher coat on the trim to make it look nice.

My two coat standard policy really just applies to brushing and rolling walls. Standard, does not mean "always," either. But generally, its best to give two coats even if it looks good after the first. There will almost always be something you miss, or some sheen variance. You know it will look great, and you know there wont be skippers or sheen holidays.

But, I can spray and backroll most walls with one coat, and they will look great, no problem. Its very rare that I do that though, unless walls and lids are getting the same color.
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The only time I'm one coating is if it's the exact sheen and color, that applies to ceilings walls and trim.

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Kind of surprised this thread has made it to 4 pages, but I guess we've seen stranger things on PT.


The nursing home here in town has me one coat the rooms when someone moves out for whatever reason. This would be in the 'assisted living' section which is more like retirement living as opposed to 'long term care'. People pay a fortune to stay in these rooms. Even if the room has one single nail hole that I could easily touch up to an acceptable level. When someone moves in they want the place to smell like it's been freshly painted. I joke with my wife that I could just dump a gallon in my paint tray, lock the door and have a nap.
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You know those old people walls are clean AF, too.
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You know those old people walls are clean AF, too.

For the most part, they aren't actually that bad in the retirement living areas. These are folks with lots of money. They're paying around $3K/month to start and it goes up from there depending on needs. Every now and again you get one that looks a little more 'rental' with 'stuff' on the walls. Especially if they've been experiencing dementia, alzheimers, etc.



So far, I've yet to have to paint in the long term care area where people really aren't doing well. Most of the rooms in there are doubled, tripled or even quadrupled up. You can't paint them unless they're empty and moving someone out of one of those rooms even for a day involves applications being filed to the Ministry of Health, etc. Thus they rarely get painted. The ones I have painted weren't gross, but man had they ever had some awful paint jobs done in the past. I don't even want to know what they were painting over.
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For the most part, they aren't actually that bad in the retirement living areas. These are folks with lots of money. They're paying around $3K/month to start and it goes up from there depending on needs. Every now and again you get one that looks a little more 'rental' with 'stuff' on the walls. Especially if they've been experiencing dementia, alzheimers, etc.



So far, I've yet to have to paint in the long term care area where people really aren't doing well. Most of the rooms in there are doubled, tripled or even quadrupled up. You can't paint them unless they're empty and moving someone out of one of those rooms even for a day involves applications being filed to the Ministry of Health, etc. Thus they rarely get painted. The ones I have painted weren't gross, but man had they ever had some awful paint jobs done in the past. I don't even want to know what they were painting over.
Or “who”.

With the turnover in those places, painting between each vacancy will eventually result in a loss of square footage.
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