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Old 04-25-2018, 11:42 AM   #21
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I'm equipped to do both interiors and exteriors. I have no preference.
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I prefer interiors.

Exteriors earn you more money because of the degree of difficulty and shorter season in Canada. I still bid on exteriors but I boost my labor rate to $70/hr. If I win the bids, fine. I'm getting a lot of calls for high peak areas and 1/2 day small jobs that the hiomeowner doesn't want to do. I turn them down.

Heights, insects, wind, rain, uneven terrain,bushes,trees, gardens & foliage get in your way. Working on roofs that require a platform screwed down can be a pain to build and the work can be slow because of the steep conditions. I don't even own a 32 footer anymore so obviously I don't do super high work unless I can use a lift.

I do love to take on small ranch style homes where the height is usually 10' or less. Good money and easier work is fine with me. I don't mind doing trim work around windows where you can make some good coin.
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Tons and tons of interior painters here did I say tons. All work for monkey food with few exceptions. As for staying busy I literately hate that term. It’s easy to stay busy , making an actual profit and a good living is a whole different story. Think about this , how many successful painters do you know. I’m not talk8ng about guys or gals who’s wife or husband job pays the benifts .

The older I get the more I like exterior. Just the last 2 years I’ve felt this way. So sick of people nitpicking, threatened bad reviews , screwing up schedules, can’t pick a color, rooms aren’t ready, pets running around, kids runnng around, calling a week later saying that’s not the color we picked. I could go on. Please spare me on how great your customers are . I’ve been at this since the 70”s can’t WAIT to get out.
I’ve seen it all and then some. Exteriors weather aside way easier , less stress, and way more money. Excuse my grammar Uncle Sam trained me to fight not to write ...lol.
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Old 04-25-2018, 01:05 PM   #24
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Tons and tons of interior painters here did I say tons. All work for monkey food with few exceptions. As for staying busy I literately hate that term. Itís easy to stay busy , making an actual profit and a good living is a whole different story. Think about this , how many successful painters do you know. Iím not talk8ng about guys or gals whoís wife or husband job pays the benifts .

The older I get the more I like exterior. Just the last 2 years Iíve felt this way. So sick of people nitpicking, threatened bad reviews , screwing up schedules, canít pick a color, rooms arenít ready, pets running around, kids runnng around, calling a week later saying thatís not the color we picked. I could go on. Please spare me on how great your customers are . Iíve been at this since the 70Ēs canít WAIT to get out.
Iíve seen it all and then some. Exteriors weather aside way easier , less stress, and way more money. Excuse my grammar Uncle Sam trained me to fight not to write ...lol.
Yeah, sounds like you should probably get out sooner rather than later.
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Tons and tons of interior painters here did I say tons. All work for monkey food with few exceptions. As for staying busy I literately hate that term. Itís easy to stay busy , making an actual profit and a good living is a whole different story. Think about this , how many successful painters do you know. Iím not talk8ng about guys or gals whoís wife or husband job pays the benifts .

The older I get the more I like exterior. Just the last 2 years Iíve felt this way. So sick of people nitpicking, threatened bad reviews , screwing up schedules, canít pick a color, rooms arenít ready, pets running around, kids runnng around, calling a week later saying thatís not the color we picked. I could go on. Please spare me on how great your customers are . Iíve been at this since the 70Ēs canít WAIT to get out.
Iíve seen it all and then some. Exteriors weather aside way easier , less stress, and way more money. Excuse my grammar Uncle Sam trained me to fight not to write ...lol.
Neither my spouse or I will ever be rich but we each work independently (No benefits) and we both make a comfortable living doing what we love to do, he with books, me with paint. Many are the weeks that I out earn him! It goes up and down for both of us. The difference is we are happy with the choices we have made and are reasonably comfortable. AND YES, The bulk of my clients are good people who appreciate the work I do for them! I have been a painter since 1976 and I still love the work. There were plenty of other options for me that did come with job security and benefits but I always went back to independence and painting.

It saddens me that you seem bitter and resentful.
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Neither my spouse or I will ever be rich but we each work independently (No benefits) and we both make a comfortable living doing what we love to do, he with books, me with paint. Many are the weeks that I out earn him! It goes up and down for both of us. The difference is we are happy with the choices we have made and are reasonably comfortable. AND YES, The bulk of my clients are good people who appreciate the work I do for them! I have been a painter since 1976 and I still love the work. There were plenty of other options for me that did come with job security and benefits but I always went back to independence and painting.

It saddens me that you seem bitter and resentful.
I think Nick's honesty is mistaken for bitterness. He's not known to sugar coat things to make his situation seem ideal.
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i wonder what nick considers monkey food, im a one man show and youd have to be a retard to not make at least good money by regular person terms. seems like bitterness to me
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Nick's just old and tired. Like me.


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Lol man the responses freakn snowflakes.... yea I’m beat and old not bitter just the facts mam as Sgt Friday would say ....

Although I did Paint electrical towers in the early 80”s around live electricity .some of my peers would say I got shocked once to often.
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I'm equipped to do both interiors and exteriors. I have no preference.
A Rarity indeed! Good for you!
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I prefer interiors. Iíll take step ladders over extension ladders and air conditioning over variable weather any day.

Thereís money to be made doing both.


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I like to take on a few exteriors per year. It keeps my saw sharp, and let's face it.. It's nice to work outside sometimes.. It's more of a challenge now that I've moved out east though, so 85% of my work is inside. But in the summer time everybody secretly wishes they weren't stuck inside rolling ceilings!. .Right?
Why roll ceilings when you can spray em?
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A Rarity indeed! Good for you!
It's really not all that remarkable to be prepared to do both interiors and exteriors if your goal is to be a well rounded tradesman in this industry.

Now, in terms of applications, I'd prefer to paint rather than stain.
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It's really not all that remarkable to be prepared to do both interiors and exteriors if your goal is to be a well rounded tradesman in this industry.

Now, in terms of applications, I'd prefer to paint rather than stain.
I don't want to be a "well rounded" painter. I actually want to be very selective and specialized. My preferred jobs are art on walls.

Remember, I started as an artist that had learned people would pay me well for painting on a wall when they wouldn't pay for it in a frame. I've created some amazing finishes over the years. I once did a fantasy finish that looked like a reflection of a castle wall. It only took me 4 hours and paid me $2500. No one yet knows how I pulled it off because I told the woman she had to leave the house until the the chemicals had been aired out for 24 hours. I've painted in windows in condo bathrooms that had none. Dang, Toronto was good to me! My current city, not so much.
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Why roll ceilings when you can spray em?
I'm sorry. Are you contributing to this conversation? Or is that a sad attempt at a burn.
Please don't make me answer that.

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I don't want to be a "well rounded" painter. I actually want to be very selective and specialized. My preferred jobs are art on walls.

Remember, I started as an artist that had learned people would pay me well for painting on a wall when they wouldn't pay for it in a frame. I've created some amazing finishes over the years. I once did a fantasy finish that looked like a reflection of a castle wall. It only took me 4 hours and paid me $2500. No one yet knows how I pulled it off because I told the woman she had to leave the house until the the chemicals had been aired out for 24 hours. I've painted in windows in condo bathrooms that had none. Dang, Toronto was good to me! My current city, not so much.
I suppose there are many approaches painters can use to satisfy their purpose in this industry while being successful and sustainable. For example, I get more satisfaction in managing the logistics of a paint job than I do admiring a painted wall or door. Albeit a well applied coating does give me a sense of achievement, whether it's interior or exterior.

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I'm equipped to do both interiors and exteriors. I have no preference.
I'm also equipped to do both. Scaffold ladders roof jacks. Mostly cause I get bored of just doing interior work. It's nice to switch it up.
However there is a lot more tools required for outside work as is variables. .. Sometimes Ill just google map a house to see how stupid it is and make the call whether I even want to quote on it..lol.
I'll be like... Nah... Not interested .
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I'm also equipped to do both. Scaffold ladders roof jacks. Mostly cause I get bored of just doing interior work. It's nice to switch it up.
However there is a lot more tools required for outside work as is variables. .. Sometimes Ill just google map a house to see how stupid it is and make the call whether I even want to quote on it..lol.
I'll be like... Nah... Not interested .
Part of being equipped is to simply have the wear with all to accept a challenging job. I don't have a preference for an interior or exterior job because both can have their challenges, and benefits.

I also came up in the trade when there didn't seem to be an option of preferring one over the other if you intended to compete, both as a painter and as an owner. That's likely changed with the amount of specialized painting services that are available today.
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I used to do lots of exterior jobs back in the day. But when we restarted the business ten years back, I made the decision to go only interiors for two reasons. First, didn’t want to always be trying to second guess the weather with regards to rain, wind, or both. Second, not being a spring chicken (rooster) any longer I had no desire to be shlupping big extension ladders around outside on hot days or pressure washing two or three story houses from those same tall ladders. So, I chose to only do interiors because it would be the most sustainable business model.
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Part of being equipped is to simply have the wear with all to accept a challenging job. I don't have a preference for an interior or exterior job because both can have their challenges, and benefits.

I also came up in the trade when there didn't seem to be an option of preferring one over the other if you intended to compete, both as a painter and as an owner. That's likely changed with the amount of specialized painting services that are available today.
@62, I absolutely do not want exterior work. I have one long term client that has been regular and generous over time, he really put me on the map here when I moved in. If he asks for exterior work, he gets it! No doubt, I will retire within the next couple of years because I just don't have the stamina I had in my 40s & even 50's but in the last couple of years I've really slowed down. In any case, Toronto was mainly condo work or historical interiors for me. When I did need to get exteriors done I had a guy that partnered with me & who loved exteriors, thus we had a pretty good partnership. (Except he was terrified of old money; I never understood that!)

Soon, the only thing I will be willing to do is furniture.
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