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Old 07-29-2012, 06:47 AM   #1
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Just used it for the first time yesterday It was nice, covered real well. It may have 0 voc's but boy did it ever stink I whole idea for this job was to use something that the people working at the business would not notice too much. I asked SW and they siad this [email protected] $53 a gal.Smells terrible.
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Just used it for the first time yesterday It was nice, covered real well. It may have 0 voc's but boy did it ever stink I whole idea for this job was to use something that the people working at the business would not notice too much. I asked SW and they siad this [email protected] $53 a gal.Smells terrible.
So the price matches the smell?
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Still has styrene in it, but its not nearly as smelly as duration imo.
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I knew proclassic was styrene based. Did not realize that duration and emerald were styrene based. Can you educate me as to the purpose of styrene? I have just repeated what I have heard (that proclassic is styrene based), i don't necessarily understand what this is/ means.

I always assumed that it was styrene that caused tip shear with proclassic, but there is no tip shear with emerald. Is this due to the grind?
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No idea, and never really asked anyone that would know. SW is the only company I use that has styrene based paints.
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i used some ultra-deep base last week and yea, it did smell kinda strong. Applied 2 coats over builders flat, and it looked horrible. It, like almost anything, needs a good primer over the builder's flat first. Waste of money in most cases IMO. it did however, hide super well, have awesome flow, and almost no splatter.
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i used some ultra-deep base last week and yea, it did smell kinda strong. Applied 2 coats over builders flat, and it looked horrible. It, like almost anything, needs a good primer over the builder's flat first. Waste of money in most cases IMO. it did however, hide super well, have awesome flow, and almost no splatter.

hides well, great flow, (your words) whats the problem again? Sheen?

I am curious what the "looked horrible" was referring to. I have yet to use it indoors. I cant justify it as an indoor product as the price point is, frankly, ridiculous. As an exterior paint, needing to hold up to the elements, to me it is justified.
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Here is the scoop on styrene from someone in the know

"um, you might want to grab a cup of coffee and get comfortable...Over the past few years, we've seen amazing new products introduced and regarded as "new age" or "next gen" acrylics - and they're capable of doing miraculous things (at least as compared to the acrylics of yore) such as DTM applications, outstanding adhesion to slick surfaces, excellent chalk and fade resistance, quick cure times, etc...These new age products are absolutely the result of the constantly changing VOC compliancy issues and manufacturers trying to win over a generation convinced that oil/alkyds cannot be replaced in the marketplace.

There are several of these acrylics available to manufacturers, and each with a slightly different behavior characteristic, such as some will dry fast and hard, others slower and more malleable...some, like the ones used in DTM's are more thermoset, while others, used in premium quality house paints, are more thermoplastic...some cure very fast, some takes weeks and so-on...

As far as conventional, exterior, premium quality house paints go, solid acrylics are presently the flat-out best resin type for the highest performance and longest life span available - but not necessarily for interior and specialty acrylic coatings. Blending acrylics with other resin types, such as styrene, will produce a tougher (more abrasion resistant), higher gloss, more resistant to dirt pick-up finish than a straight acrylic - and will do so cheaper than using just acrylic as a monopolymer. There are downsides though...styrenated acrylics won't perform as well in exterior environments as straight acrylics will. They tend to chalk and fade more, and are less resistant to the punishment of UV light - thus the use primarily in interior or specialty products. Also, since fewer solvents are available to manufacturers today due to ever-changing VOC regs, it's becoming more difficult to keep acrylic resins suspended in a water vehicle...Styrene reacts, and emulsifies easier in a water solution than straight acrylics will, so application issues tend to benefit those products blended with styrene.

Styrene is a liquid plastic, petrochemical resin, not really all that dis-similar from acrylics and vinyls - but probably couldn't be used by itself without blending in other resin types. Years ago (50's & 60's), when water based paints really weren't a very good product, styrene butadiene was a main latex resin. When styrene is blended with butadiene, a very rubbery resin results...not great for adhesion, not great for color-fastness, not great for application...but really great for tires (which is where it's mostly used today)...

Shortly, you're gonna be seeing several more interesting acrylic blends for these specialty application products - acrylic/vinyl-acrylic blends, acrylic/vinyl versatate, acrylic/vinyl acetate ethylene, acrylic/pva, and more...All for the same reasons as above - to make a particular product perform better (for a specific app) and at a cheaper manufacturing cost...

I hope this kinda answered your question...if not, lemme know and I'll try to make something else up that sounds more believable.
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great info Chris, thanks.

BTW, are you allowed to divulge your source? Or at least his/her industry position?


I'm glad there is an industry personal who is willing to take the time.



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great info Chris, thanks.

BTW, are you allowed to divulge your source? Or at least his/her industry position?


I'm glad there is an industry personal who is willing to take the time.

I really don't know and never asked but this guy knows his stuff. He tends to give dissertations but it is always valuable info. He is over on the DIY paint site, so I think he baffles most ho's but the pro's there relish his answers.
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I think I will stick with aura for now.
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We are working with this daily. Charge what is commensurate to exposure to this and many other chemicals that are hazardous. We generally undercharge considering the risks physically, chemically, and mentally in our chosen professions.http://www.epa.gov/ttnatw01/hlthef/styrene.html
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We are working with this daily. Charge what is commensurate to exposure to this and many other chemicals that are hazardous. We generally undercharge considering the risks physically, chemically, and mentally in our chosen professions.http://www.epa.gov/ttnatw01/hlthef/styrene.html

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We are working with this daily. Charge what is commensurate to exposure to this and many other chemicals that are hazardous. We generally undercharge considering the risks physically, chemically, and mentally in our chosen professions.http://www.epa.gov/ttnatw01/hlthef/styrene.html
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^ Hilarious.
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I really don't know and never asked but this guy knows his stuff. He tends to give dissertations but it is always valuable info. He is over on the DIY paint site, so I think he baffles most ho's but the pro's there relish his answers.
Ova at DIY, he is ric knows paint. i think he is the blender for a smaller regional paint line, and he indeed does know paint. Likes to explain well without riding the high horse.
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Ova at DIY, he is ric knows paint. i think he is the blender for a smaller regional paint line, and he indeed does know paint. Likes to explain well without riding the high horse.

now thats being nice
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Why is it that people who love Aura are OK with paying top dollar for a product. But when those same people see Emerald all of a sudden it's OMG, this is way too expensive, who do they expect a painter to pay that much?, and so on and so forth.
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Why is it that people who love Aura are OK with paying top dollar for a product. But when those same people see Emerald all of a sudden it's OMG, this is way too expensive, who do they expect a painter to pay that much?, and so on and so forth.
Start at post #130 in this thread and read about the spread rate. It may answer your question.

https://www.painttalk.com/f2/sherwin-...-17803/index7/
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