Employees...slim pickings - Page 2 - Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum
CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY, IT'S FREE!
Go Back   Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum > Painting Forum > General Painting Discussion

Like Tree39Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-13-2019, 05:31 AM   #21
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Delete this account
Posts: 8,761
Rewards Points: 250
Thanks: 4
Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts
View Epoxy Pro's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by finishesbykevyn View Post
Maybe pick up some side projects, like refinishing furniture or something that's not urgent or demanding. .Or another hobby like swimming or guitar..

Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk
I'm thinking a metal detector. Around here we have the ocean, tons of historical places and some civil war battle grounds. I haven't hard one since I was like 6 years old.
Epoxy Pro is offline   Reply With Quote

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. PaintTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-14-2019, 09:42 AM   #22
Junior Member
 
SeattlePaintingContr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 2
Rewards Points: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
View SeattlePaintingContr's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete Martin the Painter View Post
I did a job posting on FB to get an employee for the upcoming exterior season. I did it last year and had results that were a bit better than this year, which thus far have been terrible. Only one was in the geographic area I indicated. Two lives out of the country. Several barely spoke English. And, so far, only one possible worthy candidate. Doubt I will ever get a refund for this terrible performance by FB. I doubt I will use it services again. What other options. Kind of wish people still read papers.

Sent from my SM-A600U using Tapatalk
I saw somewhere that FB has recently lost millions of accounts...
SeattlePaintingContr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2019, 08:03 PM   #23
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 31
Rewards Points: 62
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
View Brökar Painting's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I just need one guy who's work ethic is strong and can put the two phone hugging yahoos I have currently back to work. It's impossible to find reliable workers. I tried FB and got a bunch of applicants that were out of our area and sending their information over in a completely different language. If it was the right language they had no experience whatsoever. At this point I need someone with experience and a drive to want to work. Maybe I'll try the college route. There's one less than 10 minutes away from me.
Brökar Painting is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-19-2019, 09:31 PM   #24
Senior Member
 
Pete Martin the Painter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Gloucester, MA
Posts: 2,196
Rewards Points: 232
Thanks: 1,521
Thanked 820 Times in 460 Posts
View Pete Martin the Painter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brökar Painting View Post
I just need one guy who's work ethic is strong and can put the two phone hugging yahoos I have currently back to work. It's impossible to find reliable workers. I tried FB and got a bunch of applicants that were out of our area and sending their information over in a completely different language. If it was the right language they had no experience whatsoever. At this point I need someone with experience and a drive to want to work. Maybe I'll try the college route. There's one less than 10 minutes away from me.
Same experience I had with FB. I will not pay them again for a help wanted add. 2 applicants were from foreign countries.

Sent from my SM-A600U using Tapatalk
__________________
Ancora Imparo (I'm Still Learning)--Michelangelo

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Pete Martin the Painter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2019, 11:52 PM   #25
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,242
Rewards Points: 824
Thanks: 660
Thanked 455 Times in 315 Posts
View jennifertemple's Photo Album My Photos
Default

In my neighborhood nobody does Craig's list or local papers (??? Don't know why) What they are all very fond of is KIJIJI. If I were posting now, that is what I would use because everybody in the area looks there first. In the big ole city I tended to prefer Craig's list!
(Craig's list useless here. I keep away from & off FB!)
__________________

jennifertemple is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2019, 12:07 AM   #26
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,242
Rewards Points: 824
Thanks: 660
Thanked 455 Times in 315 Posts
View jennifertemple's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by finishesbykevyn View Post
Maybe pick up some side projects, like refinishing furniture or something that's not urgent or demanding. .Or another hobby like swimming or guitar..

Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk
Refinishing furniture is an art all by itself! Like painting, one does not suddenly decide "Oh, I can do that!" I have been refinishing furniture for some years Stripping that does not destroy the old Patina, French Polish, Rubbed lacquers or rubbed poly, custom mixed stains, it all takes time to learn and MOST HO'S DO NOT WANT TO PAY! (IE: "OH! I could buy a new one for that price!" Reply: "DO IT!!)
__________________

jennifertemple is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to jennifertemple For This Useful Post:
Wolfgang (03-20-2019)
Old 03-20-2019, 12:29 AM   #27
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,274
Rewards Points: 199
Thanks: 85
Thanked 410 Times in 307 Posts
View PNW Painter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

It’s a bummer that Facebook didn’t produce any results for you. Unfortunately, I think the platforms the tech companies have developed are really focused on high-end white collar jobs.

If your area is anything like mine the unemployment rate is very low and there is a shortage of skilled/qualified workers.

Here’s another idea. I worked with a GC who coached high-school football. In the summers he always had a few guys helping part-time.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
PNW Painter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2019, 06:41 AM   #28
Senior Member
 
Pete Martin the Painter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Gloucester, MA
Posts: 2,196
Rewards Points: 232
Thanks: 1,521
Thanked 820 Times in 460 Posts
View Pete Martin the Painter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW Painter View Post
It’s a bummer that Facebook didn’t produce any results for you. Unfortunately, I think the platforms the tech companies have developed are really focused on high-end white collar jobs.

If your area is anything like mine the unemployment rate is very low and there is a shortage of skilled/qualified workers.

Here’s another idea. I worked with a GC who coached high-school football. In the summers he always had a few guys helping part-time.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have thought about high school or college kids. But, I usually have a lot of work until early November. I live in Massachusetts. Not only is unemployment low, but the work force is highly educated. Not too many people want to go into the trades around here.

Sent from my SM-A600U using Tapatalk
Holland likes this.
__________________
Ancora Imparo (I'm Still Learning)--Michelangelo

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Pete Martin the Painter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2019, 08:01 PM   #29
Kev D.
 
finishesbykevyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Newfoundland Can.
Posts: 1,854
Rewards Points: 1,499
Thanks: 457
Thanked 242 Times in 210 Posts
View finishesbykevyn's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I don't disagree. I just meant, as a hobby mostly. Gotta start somewhere with that stuff. Like picking up a free or cheap piece and just experimenting..
You definitely wouldn't want to practice on someone's expensive piece..

Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk
finishesbykevyn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2019, 08:05 PM   #30
Kev D.
 
finishesbykevyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Newfoundland Can.
Posts: 1,854
Rewards Points: 1,499
Thanks: 457
Thanked 242 Times in 210 Posts
View finishesbykevyn's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete Martin the Painter View Post
Same experience I had with FB. I will not pay them again for a help wanted add. 2 applicants were from foreign countries.

Sent from my SM-A600U using Tapatalk
With Facebook, I see a lot of people just share it on their page. If you have say 200 people on your page, they can re share your post to people they think may be interested..Simple networking..

Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk
finishesbykevyn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2019, 02:14 AM   #31
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Chicago suburbs
Posts: 3,223
Rewards Points: 6
Thanks: 104
Thanked 336 Times in 303 Posts
View Brushman4's Photo Album My Photos
Default

What about having a bunch of kids and training them over the years to be painters, think of the possibilities?

I'd check with the misses first though!
Holland likes this.
Brushman4 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2019, 08:15 AM   #32
Senior Member
 
Holland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 589
Rewards Points: 1,140
Thanks: 135
Thanked 90 Times in 77 Posts
View Holland's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jennifertemple View Post
In my neighborhood nobody does Craig's list or local papers (??? Don't know why) What they are all very fond of is KIJIJI. If I were posting now, that is what I would use because everybody in the area looks there first. In the big ole city I tended to prefer Craig's list!
(Craig's list useless here. I keep away from & off FB!)
Craigslist has become a haven for scammers. I made a post recently and received about a dozen scam emails for every one or two legitimate contact. I am wary of posting my personal contact information on that place anymore. Have others noticed this problem?
Brushman4 likes this.
Holland is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Holland For This Useful Post:
jennifertemple (03-21-2019)
Old 03-21-2019, 01:16 PM   #33
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Chicago suburbs
Posts: 3,223
Rewards Points: 6
Thanks: 104
Thanked 336 Times in 303 Posts
View Brushman4's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holland Painting View Post
Craigslist has become a haven for scammers. I made a post recently and received about a dozen scam emails for every one or two legitimate contact. I am wary of posting my personal contact information on that place anymore. Have others noticed this problem?
Craigslist has been the bottom of the barrel for as long as I can remember. I used to check it out for $hit and giggles but never considered actually using it. A lot of authorities recommend you meet people for Craigslist transactions at a Police station or other public place, think that's a tip-off?
Fman likes this.
Brushman4 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2019, 04:43 PM   #34
Senior Member
 
Pete Martin the Painter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Gloucester, MA
Posts: 2,196
Rewards Points: 232
Thanks: 1,521
Thanked 820 Times in 460 Posts
View Pete Martin the Painter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brushman4 View Post
What about having a bunch of kids and training them over the years to be painters, think of the possibilities?

I'd check with the misses first though!
I have one teenager. That is enough.

Sent from my SM-A600U using Tapatalk
__________________
Ancora Imparo (I'm Still Learning)--Michelangelo

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Pete Martin the Painter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2019, 04:50 PM   #35
Senior Member
 
Pete Martin the Painter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Gloucester, MA
Posts: 2,196
Rewards Points: 232
Thanks: 1,521
Thanked 820 Times in 460 Posts
View Pete Martin the Painter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brushman4 View Post
Craigslist has been the bottom of the barrel for as long as I can remember. I used to check it out for $hit and giggles but never considered actually using it. A lot of authorities recommend you meet people for Craigslist transactions at a Police station or other public place, think that's a tip-off?
When I started out I advertised my services on there. I only got 2 jobs on there. And, the customers were 2 of the least pleasurable home owners that I have had the misfortune to encounter. One tried to teach me paint. The other was upset with the results...after I had told him several times that the products that he wanted me to use were no appropriate for the job. I would never look for employees on Craig's List.

Sent from my SM-A600U using Tapatalk
Brushman4 and Holland like this.
__________________
Ancora Imparo (I'm Still Learning)--Michelangelo

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Pete Martin the Painter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2019, 05:00 PM   #36
Senior Member
 
CApainter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Posts: 14,919
Rewards Points: 2,978
Thanks: 11,237
Thanked 9,671 Times in 5,510 Posts
View CApainter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

With all of the possibilities out there, in terms of the growing tech industry, more government job openings, and online business tools and opportunities available to the eager entrepreneur, does committing oneself to work for another self employed person even sound appealing these days? It's definitely different than the 1980's.
Fman and Holland like this.
CApainter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2019, 12:33 AM   #37
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Chicago suburbs
Posts: 3,223
Rewards Points: 6
Thanks: 104
Thanked 336 Times in 303 Posts
View Brushman4's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CApainter View Post
With all of the possibilities out there, in terms of the growing tech industry, more government job openings, and online business tools and opportunities available to the eager entrepreneur, does committing oneself to work for another self employed person even sound appealing these days? It's definitely different than the 1980's.
That's true now CA, but if and when things take a turn for the worse, it's every man for himself! Kind of like when a ship is going down.
fauxlynn likes this.
Brushman4 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2019, 03:10 PM   #38
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,210
Rewards Points: 424
Thanks: 3,213
Thanked 2,648 Times in 1,492 Posts
View fauxlynn's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brushman4 View Post
That's true now CA, but if and when things take a turn for the worse, it's every man for himself! Kind of like when a ship is going down.
It's coming...


Take this with a grain of salt- I was trying to run two larger jobs simultaneously last spring and in desperate need of some extra hands. It used to be common practice and a joke in Baltimore that we, meaning any area faux finisher, used the same people for bigger jobs.

I called my competitors and got a couple names. It sort of worked out. Maybe there's another one man band in your area that you could share workers?

As I said, take it with a grain of salt.
__________________
I like the cut of your jib.
fauxlynn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2019, 04:36 PM   #39
Senior Member
 
Stretch67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: MN
Posts: 1,133
Rewards Points: 668
Thanks: 582
Thanked 863 Times in 418 Posts
View Stretch67's Photo Album My Photos
Default

We have no shortage of SOLID employees, and a decent file of people on the waiting list.
What are you offering for benefits and pay? Are you putting a 6% match in their retirement account? If nothing, there's your answer. If it seems expensive, maybe you need to raise your prices. That also partially relates to your other thread about paint prices increasing. If you're worrying about material costs, you're too cheap. You'd probably save yourself 20 years of headache by going to work for a big time profitable contractor for a year or two.

All of our field labor is between the ages of 18 and 26, I'm 31 myself and on my third year out of the bucket. Their pay last year ranged from 38k-72k on the check, plus benefits. They worked an average of 1700 hours. The guy who made 72k has a CDL and just turned 21 a month ago.

Like I said, we have a waiting list of people that would like to work here.

All the BTO's that try PT invariably quit participating, because of the lack of tolerance for dollars and cents related discussion. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make 'em think.
__________________
I got a post hole digger too! What's that got to do with the weather?
Stretch67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2019, 04:54 PM   #40
Senior Member
 
CApainter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Posts: 14,919
Rewards Points: 2,978
Thanks: 11,237
Thanked 9,671 Times in 5,510 Posts
View CApainter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stretch67 View Post
We have no shortage of SOLID employees, and a decent file of people on the waiting list.
What are you offering for benefits and pay? Are you putting a 6% match in their retirement account? If nothing, there's your answer. If it seems expensive, maybe you need to raise your prices. That also partially relates to your other thread about paint prices increasing. If you're worrying about material costs, you're too cheap. You'd probably save yourself 20 years of headache by going to work for a big time profitable contractor for a year or two.

All of our field labor is between the ages of 18 and 26, I'm 31 myself and on my third year out of the bucket. Their pay last year ranged from 38k-72k on the check, plus benefits. They worked an average of 1700 hours. The guy who made 72k has a CDL and just turned 21 a month ago.

Like I said, we have a waiting list of people that would like to work here.

All the BTO's that try PT invariably quit participating, because of the lack of tolerance for dollars and cents related discussion. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make 'em think.
You have to consider the range of contractor status on Paint Talk before accusing individuals of being cheap.

Regional supply and demand for painting services will influence the opportunity for large company growth, or simply self employment sustainability.
CApainter is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
None

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
hiring employees DittonWilson Business, Marketing, and Sales 8 08-29-2018 11:25 PM
We Are Not Your Employees SweetLu General Painting Discussion 20 12-20-2017 12:56 PM
No Call No Show Employees Brökar Painting General Painting Discussion 19 04-12-2017 11:48 PM
How to retain key employees jimgalla General Painting Discussion 12 01-20-2016 04:51 AM
Do You Give Employees Holiday Bonuses? Cricket Business, Marketing, and Sales 13 12-15-2015 05:49 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Our Pro Sites Network
ContractorTalk.com | DrywallTalk.com | ElectricianTalk.com | HVACSite.com | PlumbingZone.com | RoofingTalk.com