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Old 08-15-2009, 08:30 AM   #21
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We supply everything, but have one employee who was a former contractor who has all his own equipment. Brushes are maintained by the guys and replaced as needed.
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I provide tools. If a man uses his own on my job and wears it out then I will replace it. He is making me money and the hand tools don't cost much compared to that. I do think it is smart for a painter to have his own tools for side jobs. It's how many businesses have started.
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I think Michfan touched a relavent point.

I found that if the tools are company owened, they have less of a habit of being "borrowed"

The first job I had in the trades was summer employ as a framer. The only tool we needed to own was a hammer (and holster) .... wll maybe a nail apron, but the canvas ones were free at most lumber yards.



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Canvas nail aprons. Everyone looks at the box of them I have and laughs, but they're great for painters and paperhangers. Funny how I notice all my guys using them.

I have a fairly liberal policy for my guys borrowing tools, even for their side-jobs or home projects. It's worked well for me so far...knock on wood.
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guys should have their own brushes, duster and a hand tool...anything else is a bonus but not expected.
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We require all our new painters to have the basics. Several reasons for this but the most important is past experience. Hired a guy once who said he knew how to do everything I needed. Perhaps I was leading him to much but he said he knew it all, but no tools. I hired him, provided him with the tools, he didn't know squat. Then when I let him go, he took all the tools I supplied him with him.

Another time I hired a guy who was a very very good painter with no tools, turned out he was a drug addict and showed up on the job stoned in front of a very religious Home Owner. I lost the client, he lost his job. Turned out he'd pawned all his tools for drug money.

If you don't have the basics, don't even apply. I supply the ladders, the expendibles like tape, durabond, paper, rags, ect. You supply your own drops, brushes, rollers, (I give Covers), ect.
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I thought equipment and supplies were part of a company's overhead. However, a painter should at least have a scraper, screwdriver, and a rag.
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We supply everything, including T-shirts & pants, however it is up to each painter to see that they have everything they need to start a project. after many years in the biz, I have found that most painters are tight as**s and if you don't supply the brushes they will be using them down to a nub. Kinda like trying to paint with a wire brush. Which slows progress and produces a crappy finished product. My guys never have an excuse for looking unprofessional or not having the right tools. Most of my guys prefer to use their own stuff including spray rigs, ladders, & drops. But if they are in bad condition they are not allowed. I even split the cost of repairs on their spray rigs since they are using them on my jobs.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:25 PM   #29
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I thought equipment and supplies were part of a company's overhead. However, a painter should at least have a scraper, screwdriver, and a rag.
Yea, once again, I agree. Equipment is part of overhead. I have never heard of an employer expecting the employee to show up with his own drops, rollers, roller poles, sanders, sandpaper, caulk, plastic, tape, etc. Brushes, dusters, 5 in 1s, handtools, and maybe a caulk gun have been the norm that I have seen. I mean, if you start asking all your guys to bring tons of tools are you gonna supply each of them with a van to haul it all? Look at it from their perspective.

Does a store make a clerk bring in his own cash register to check out customers? Does a restaurant make a cook bring in all his own utensils and dishes to cook with? No, they provide you with the necessary tools to do your job the way they want you to do it.

If a guy has some stuff, great. That's a bonus for us. If he doesn't does that mean he has no clue how to paint? Not necessarily.
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Buying your guys pants seems odd to me, although certainly a nice gesture.Everyone likes free shirts and pants.

Personally, i never make anyone wear whites if they don't want to..i was never comfortable in them, so i don't expect anyone else to be.
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I remember when, i walked out side of a house we were painting. Laying in the dirt was a 2 1/2" purdy brush. Supplied by the company. That was the last time we supplied basic tools
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However, i just gave a 2 1/2" purdy as a "job well done" bonus. I dont think i will ever see that laying in the dirt. I have also gave out mask machines, caulk guns, 6n1, ect.
If i know a guy is just hurting for money and i think he is worth it. I will usually set him up with a few basics and feed him more as he proves himself.
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I would rather have them own there basic tool set. I like a self motivated employee to think for himself. And, i don't think that is out of line. I know a few framers that have to own and use their nailers, lines, and compressors.
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The best thing a boss did for me, was set me up with my own tools. And, i don't mind doing the same for a well rounded hard working painter.

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I think different environments call for different measures. That is how I was trained. I allways had my own tools and so did my fellow employees. I am amazed that a employer thinks he should supplly basic tools. Not! Sundries as you stated in your post. A chef at a Denny's will have his tools supplied by Denny's. However a chef at Morton's Steakhouse, will have his own set of knives. But hey, it is Morton's Steakhouse!

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I mean, if you start asking all your guys to bring tons of tools are you gonna supply each of them with a van to haul it all? Look at it from their perspective.
The basic tools can fit in a empty fiver. It would only require a passenger seat or trunk. We are talking about basic tools, right?

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Buying your guys pants seems odd to me, although certainly a nice gesture.Everyone likes free shirts and pants.

Personally, i never make anyone wear whites if they don't want to..i was never comfortable in them, so i don't expect anyone else to be.
I will not allow a guy on the job without whites on....jeans just looks like day labor to me.

I worked for a very large industrial/commercial company in Ohio and they required you to use their uniform company that would supply you with 14 pair of button up white shirts with company logo and your name embroidered on them and those real thin white"bakers pants". You had to bring in your dirty clothes every Monday and they would take them out and dry clean them. Pick them up next Monday, pressed, clean on hangers & wrapped in plastic. They took $9 a week out of your check. It was actually pretty nice!
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Basic hand tools* are required, anything else I provide.


*No need to describe what "basic hand tools" are, I hope.
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really if you want to call yourself a pro have your own tools okay maybe not extension ladders or 12 foot poles but really all the basics in your tool bag or tool bucket caulk,scrapers,tape,brushes,scissors,putty knives,razor knife,goose neck,putty lol basically everything you will need from day to day or in those situations where your boss doesnt have to drive half way across the city to bring you. i hate working with guys that repeatedly ask me for simple things they should own, you cant rely on everyone else be prepared!!! every single professional in the world owns there own tools
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Basic hand tools* are required, anything else I provide.


*No need to describe what "basic hand tools" are, I hope.
thats not too difficult for a one man show.........
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I will not allow a guy on the job without whites on....jeans just looks like day labor to me.

I worked for a very large industrial/commercial company in Ohio and they required you to use their uniform company that would supply you with 14 pair of button up white shirts with company logo and your name embroidered on them and those real thin white"bakers pants". You had to bring in your dirty clothes every Monday and they would take them out and dry clean them. Pick them up next Monday, pressed, clean on hangers & wrapped in plastic. They took $9 a week out of your check. It was actually pretty nice!

Different strokes for different folks i guess...i used to get whites, but i just could never find a pair i liked..They were always tight in the crotch and end up making it tough too move around in tight situations.
Shirts are a no brainer.....it's free advertising.
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I require my guys to wear whites also. If they are pressure washing or deck/fence staining I dont mind them wearing jeans. Usually once a year I put in a large order for whites in the sizes my guys wear.
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I agree with owning your own brushes and caulk gun. Most people get use to the way a brush works, or a gun works. I myself have used other peoples tools, and they didn't "feel" quite right. Before I got into painting, I used to paint locomotives...the company I worked for used to supply everything. There was nothing worse than going to spray clear coat on a 70' loco, and have the gun spit out chunks of dried paint because the guy before you didn't clean it properly!
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