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Old 08-16-2009, 12:18 PM   #41
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I agree with owning your own brushes and caulk gun. Most people get use to the way a brush works, or a gun works. I myself have used other peoples tools, and they didn't "feel" quite right. Before I got into painting, I used to paint locomotives...the company I worked for used to supply everything. There was nothing worse than going to spray clear coat on a 70' loco, and have the gun spit out chunks of dried paint because the guy before you didn't clean it properly!
Very true! Who remembers "Old Blue" ?
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Old 08-16-2009, 01:25 PM   #42
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Very true! Who remembers "Old Blue" ?
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I've got 2 guys that both have their own basic kit and one guy that doesn't. I used to think that I would take care of providing everything but I've been going more and more toward expecting a worker to provide his own brushes, roller frames, 5n1, and caulk gun. Too many tools were being cared for improperly for me to cover it. It's not much cost to the employee and I'll help a good employee out with the purchase if they need it.
If I do go back to providing everything, I will mark each of these tools and the employee will be responsible for its maintenance and upkeep and will have the replacement deducted from their pay if required. Of course I won't charge them if they've just used a tool for its reasonable life span but they'll cover it if it's a brush that's not been cleaned or another 5n1 lost in the bushes.
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It is amazing how much better care they take of it when they paid for it.
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There was nothing worse than going to spray clear coat on a 70' loco, and have the gun spit out chunks of dried paint because the guy before you didn't clean it properly!
and as the employer it is very hard and a waist of time, to find out who left it like that. We use to assign rigs. If you were a spray man, you would have your own rig, line, guns, ect.
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Thats what I ended up doing. Went out and bought my own complete setup....was nice, I knew everytime I sprayed with it...it would be the same.
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If I do go back to providing everything, I will mark each of these tools and the employee will be responsible for its maintenance and upkeep :thubmbup: and will have the replacement deducted from their pay if required. Of course I won't charge them if they've just used a tool for its reasonable life span but they'll cover it if it's a brush that's not been cleaned or another 5n1 lost in the bushes.
I thought that way, its logical, but it is most definitely illegle.
At least in cali, look in your state employment laws.
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According to the link I posted, an employer, in CA, must pay the employee at least twice the amount of minimum wage if they are required to supply their own tools. I think that would be $16.00 per hour now. This article was from 2006.

http://www.laboremploymentlawblog.co...imum-wage.html
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Kind of interesting what a CA painters local agreed to in a contract, what should be basic tool and uniform requirements. THis was back in mid 2000's

http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlsr/2002-2/PW...-294-1-Tra.PDF
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The site attached made me think that a situation where an employer should or should not supply tools, is based on whether the worker is an employee, or independent contractor.

http://www.leg.wa.gov/documents/join...thStsTable.pdf
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There is a fine line when you require workers to bring there own tools and whether they are an employee or subcontractor. If I supply tools then I'm technically an employer. Now I also agree that an experienced painter might want to bring their own personal tools, which is fine, but I'm not requiring it.
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CAPainter brought up some good points!
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Different strokes for different folks i guess...i used to get whites, but i just could never find a pair i liked..They were always tight in the crotch and end up making it tough too move around in tight situations.
Shirts are a no brainer.....it's free advertising.

I wear them but I agree they're like a cheap hotel....no ballroom.
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I wear them but I agree they're like a cheap hotel....no ballroom.

LOL literally.
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huh?! no place to dance?!
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Through the ages, there have been discussions on what painters wear, and if whites should be "encouraged"

Personally, I think that many HO's have come to expect it. Whites are, to many, a professional "trade mark" , like scrubs for the hospital personel.

One of my painting buddies wears jeans, doesn't even have interior and exterior ones. Any paint on jeans is more noticible. So I guess it comes down to if you want to look as clean as possible or not or if you want to look like what many consider professional

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