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Old 12-29-2013, 02:18 PM   #1
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I'm looking for a high quality exterior clear coat. It Will be going onto cedar doors for a Japanese garden (very high end customer) the previous clear which I believe to be bm product failed after about 3 years. Price is no issue I'm looking for the best product anyone here has used and has proven longevity. I have access to SW and a few bm dealers that carry ppg and full line Cabot
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I like the Sikkens Door and Window, but anything will need maintenance coats if it's sitting in direct sunlight. If price is really no issue, then I would explain to the customer that I will come back once per year (or once every 2-3 years depending on how much direct sunlight hits the doors) to apply more coats of varnish to replace the ones that the weather has removed.
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I'll second the Sikkens. That said, depending on the situation, three years isn't bad.
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I like the Sikkens Door and Window, but anything will need maintenance coats if it's sitting in direct sunlight. If price is really no issue, then I would explain to the customer that I will come back once per year (or once every 2-3 years depending on how much direct sunlight hits the doors) to apply more coats of varnish to replace the ones that the weather has removed.
I concur. In my experience the Sikkens will outlast spar varnish, and is easier to maintain.
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I concur. In my experience the Sikkens will outlast spar varnish, and is easier to maintain.
So far, opinion seems to be unanimous in favor of Sikkens. The ease of re-application is a huge plus. Some exterior clears might go a little longer before a recoat is needed, but the labor necessary when that happens is substantial.
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Thanks for the input looks like I'll be purchasing some sikkens tomorrow
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Thanks for the input looks like I'll be purchasing some sikkens tomorrow
Just leave the option od returning to clean or maintenance coat. Sikkens is good or teak oil(5-6 coats), or ship 'n shore if it is a damp/humid area.
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Sikkens.

Application is insane...it is an extremely difficult product to apply, but worth it.
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Sikkens.

Application is insane...it is an extremely difficult product to apply, but worth it.

Wise, did you forget to use the "sarcastic/ironic" font in your post??

From Sikkens:

New/Bare Wood Applications
1. Follow the preparation procedures
2. Apply first coat of Cetol Door & Window
3. Let surface dry for minimum of 24 hours
4. Apply second coat of Cetol Door & Window
5. Let surface dry for minimum of 24 hours
6. Apply third coat of Cetol Door & Window
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The best I have used is MLC euro X, its price reflects that however.

http://www.mlcampbell.com/products/c...r/euro_x_clear
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Wise, did you forget to use the "sarcastic/ironic" font in your post??

From Sikkens:

New/Bare Wood Applications
1. Follow the preparation procedures
2. Apply first coat of Cetol Door & Window
3. Let surface dry for minimum of 24 hours
4. Apply second coat of Cetol Door & Window
5. Let surface dry for minimum of 24 hours
6. Apply third coat of Cetol Door & Window
Nope, but I did leave out "be sure to overlap generously!!"


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Clear coats require regular maintenance, as noted here.
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I agree with Sikkens.
Finished front doors in direct sun for much of the day, using polyurethane.
I was called back a year later b/c of peeling.
Sanded, coated with Sikkens Cetol.
Two years later, I stopped by the house and it still looked good. There was some dulling of the finish, especially at the bottom, but it was still presentable and the homeowner was satisfied.
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The best I have used is MLC euro X, its price reflects that however.

http://www.mlcampbell.com/products/c...r/euro_x_clear
Does this product require numerous coats ? I've read a few posts that share the opinion that poly's are'nt great in exterior applications.? I am in the process of building a home in Colorado and want to clear coat the soffit & garage doors. Im not sure if I should use a clear stain or poly ? Im using beetle kill pine for the material.
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Just leave the option od returning to clean or maintenance coat. Sikkens is good or teak oil(5-6 coats), or ship 'n shore if it is a damp/humid area.

This one is a good one. I agree too
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Does this product require numerous coats ? I've read a few posts that share the opinion that poly's are'nt great in exterior applications.? I am in the process of building a home in Colorado and want to clear coat the soffit & garage doors. Im not sure if I should use a clear stain or poly ? Im using beetle kill pine for the material.
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Application Procedure 
An excellent, very durable, exceptional build finish can be developed following a range of 
schedules. Listed below is the recommended system. Apply each coat of Euro X Satin Clear at 
5-6 wet mils with sufficient dry times in between. For best Euro X UV protection, total dry film 
thickness should be between 5-7 mils dry. Do not exceed 7 dry mils. Allow 48 hours drying time 
before installation. 
 
Sealer for Most Wood Species: Use Euro X Super Sealer. If staining is desired, use M.L. 
Campbell WoodSong Stain. Excess stain MUST be wiped off thoroughly. Allow stain to dry for 
90 minutes minimum then dry wipe again before applying sealer. Stain must be sealed with Euro 
X Super Sealer EU31089 before application of Euro X topcoats. 
 
Sealer for Oily Exotic Wood Species: Use Euro Exotic Wood Sealer EU32079 over bare 
unstained oily exotic woods. Oily exotic woods MUST be sealed with Euro Exotic Wood Sealer 
EU32079 before application of Euro topcoats (refer to Euro Exotic Wood Sealer EU32079 PI 
sheet for further details). 
 
Recommended System: Sand wood with 180 grit sandpaper. Reduce and apply appropriate 
Euro Sealer at 3 mils wet. Allow 2-3 hours dry time. Apply second coat of appropriate Euro 
Sealer at 3 mils wet. Allow 4 hour minimum dry time. Sand using 280 to 320 grit sandpaper. 
Apply first coat of Euro X Clear Satin at 5-6 mils wet. Allow 4 hour minimum dry time and sand 
with 280 to 320 grit sandpaper. Apply second coat of Euro X Clear Satin at 5-6 mils wet. If any 
Euro X topcoat has been allowed to dry for more than 3 hours, allow to fully dry and sand before 
applying next coat. 
 
If another Euro X Clear Satin coat is required for additional UV protection: Allow 
Recommended System to dry 4 hour minimum dry time and sand with 320 grit silicon carbide 
paper. Apply third coat of Euro X Clear Satin at 5-6 mils wet. 
 
For maximum life: Be sure to coat ALL sides and edges. If the project is cut or planed at 
jobsite, the installer should re-coat any bare edges with brushable waterborne Euro X 
Maintenance Coat (see Euro X Maintenance Coat EU33006 PI Sheet for details). 
 
Maintenance Program: The Euro X product line includes a maintenance product. All exterior 
coatings will eventually degrade due to natural conditions. Euro X Maintenance Coat is a 
brushable water borne coating that can extend the service life of Euro X Clear. To rejuvenate a 
Euro X job, consult Euro X Maintenance Coat label or Product Information Sheet.
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