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Old 06-27-2015, 09:03 PM   #21
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Exterior PPG Manor Hall, or if you can get good pricing, Timeless.

I've used the regular Manor Hall Ext Semi on a shed with a deep red with an ungodly amount of F colorant, one of the thinner colorants that kills lesser paints, and it covered extremely well in one coat, and looked amazing with two. Expect mid $30's depending on sheen.

Timeless is one of the only exterior paints I would put in the same category as Aura (which I've only used a few times, but was extremely impressed).

There has been a rumor at PPG that the coating for Titleist golf balls (which PPG does supply the coatings for), is actually MH Timeless exterior. I have no proof of that however lol.

I doubt the golf balls are coated with timeless but wouldn't put it past them to coat with Ppg breakthrough.
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Old 06-27-2015, 10:35 PM   #22
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Have You Tried Duration From Sherwin Williams Painting Company?
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Just finished and ext today using 1245 looks preem. What color were you using.?
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High contents of pigment should be thinned in my opinion.
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Why of course Sherwin Williams has a pricing structure. It is founded on the solid bedrock of "subject to change without notice" and "some contractors are more equal than others" and "sometimes the homeowner is more important than the painting contractor."
This is the real problem with Sherwin Williams in my opinion.

But I have also had coverage AND adhesion problems with Emerald.

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I doubt the golf balls are coated with timeless but wouldn't put it past them to coat with Ppg breakthrough.
R those coatings considered urethanes? Most of the top golf balls have a urethane cover.
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R those coatings considered urethanes? Most of the top golf balls have a urethane cover.

I believe so. It's kind of top secret. Ppg tried to copy the formula I'm told and the best they could do was Pitt-tech or something so they bought the company that made breakthrough.
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SunProof from PPG. The stuff is like drywall mud. Most body of any acrylic latex I ever seen.
This product to me is a perfect example of how some painters will do anything to avoid switching away from SW. Any painter I ever sold it to that did an honest comparison with a similar priced SW product loved it. But there were always those painters that had some strange and unknown need to buy from SW and SW only that would bitch like crazy that it wouldn't cover white over white as well as SW would. Bull5hit!

That's the same kind of bs I've dealt with for 31 years and am dealing with today! I can put a coat of any product I carry and a similarly priced SW product over black at the exact same mil thickness, but I still have painters that refuse to acknowledge the fact that most of the SW products don't cover anywhere near as well. Add to that the fact that my prices match, and my products are much easier to brush, and it really makes me question why so many painter's are so loyal to SW. Are they giving happy endings with their paint? How loyal has SW proven to be to the painters when they are selling to homeowners at a price that is often lower than what long term painting contractors buy the same product for.

And now you can buy Superpaint in a fancy HGTV label at Lowe's for a lower price everyday. I don't get it.
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I always try to get factory mixed White when using white. Covers better than store tinted IMO. Also you can return extra or save for next job.
Our typical exterior trim is either Regal high build or Aura.
It is quite true that factory mixed "whites" will cover better than a white base tinted at the store level. But, many paint brands are discontinuing and some stores no longer carry "packaged" whites because they believe that their white bases hide as well. Don't believe it for a moment. Just remember that many factory mixed whites are simply off shaded with black or umber, and they aren't a particularly bright white.
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Exterior PPG Manor Hall, or if you can get good pricing, Timeless.

I've used the regular Manor Hall Ext Semi on a shed with a deep red with an ungodly amount of F colorant, one of the thinner colorants that kills lesser paints, and it covered extremely well in one coat, and looked amazing with two. Expect mid $30's depending on sheen.

Timeless is one of the only exterior paints I would put in the same category as Aura (which I've only used a few times, but was extremely impressed).

There has been a rumor at PPG that the coating for Titleist golf balls (which PPG does supply the coatings for), is actually MH Timeless exterior. I have no proof of that however lol.
Having worked in a factory that made the coatings for golf balls, as well as having worked for PPG for 9 years, I can assure you that they are in no way using MH Timeless to paint NEW golf balls. Maybe recycled practice balls or range balls. There is no way that any Manorhall product has the flexibility and hardness to survive more than a couple of smacks of a golf ball. The physics of what happens when a club hits a ball is incredible if you think about it. It is one of the most violent transfers of energy known to mankind. I have seen MH Timeless being hit with a sledge hammer and that will smash it all to hell. Multiplying that force 100 times isn't conducive to the paint lasting for long.

I did cost analysis for golf ball coatings so I know pretty well what they are.
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Having worked in a factory that made the coatings for golf balls, as well as having worked for PPG for 9 years, I can assure you that they are in no way using MH Timeless to paint NEW golf balls. Maybe recycled practice balls or range balls. There is no way that any Manorhall product has the flexibility and hardness to survive more than a couple of smacks of a golf ball. The physics of what happens when a club hits a ball is incredible if you think about it. It is one of the most violent transfers of energy known to mankind. I have seen MH Timeless being hit with a sledge hammer and that will smash it all to hell. Multiplying that force 100 times isn't conducive to the paint lasting for long.

I did cost analysis for golf ball coatings so I know pretty well what they are.
Whoa there guys. I didn't emphatically state that PPG IS USING MH Timeless for golf ball coatings. It was more or less a tongue in cheek comment. When I worked for PPG this was a particular sales rep go to sales pitch for Timeless. He was a good guy, but I didn't believe him.

With all the products PPG makes, it wouldn't make sense, for many reasons as you said PAC, to use an ordinary house paint for a coating. Especially considering the impact and sudden load a golf ball is under.

I heard this rumor before PPG bought Breakthrough by the way. Sorry for the confusion guys.
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Whoa there guys. I didn't emphatically state that PPG IS USING MH Timeless for golf ball coatings. It was more or less a tongue in cheek comment. When I worked for PPG this was a particular sales rep go to sales pitch for Timeless. He was a good guy, but I didn't believe him.

With all the products PPG makes, it wouldn't make sense, for many reasons as you said PAC, to use an ordinary house paint for a coating. Especially considering the impact and sudden load a golf ball is under.

I heard this rumor before PPG bought Breakthrough by the way. Sorry for the confusion guys.
Actually, I had some of my customers put the colored lines on defective or old golf balls for use as mini-golf balls or range balls with Breakthrough or Acrylic DTM. Maybe that is where the rumor started. In fact for a while when I worked in SW's Chem coatings we sold Breakthrough for that purpose. Back before PPG bought them.
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