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Old 08-22-2010, 05:02 PM   #1
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My exterior Honduran Mahogany doors just came in. From the MFG they were treated with Sikkens Cetol 1 Dark Oak. I need to get this to a Espresso type finish without killing to much of the wood grain. So I’m guessing a semi translucent product. Can I use The Sikkens Door and window with added colorant? I painted the outside jambs with Sikkens door and windows dark oak as a test and not as dark as I hoped.

Maybe another system will be better.
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My exterior Honduran Mahogany doors just came in. From the MFG they were treated with Sikkens Cetol 1 Dark Oak. I need to get this to a Espresso type finish without killing to much of the wood grain. So Iím guessing a semi translucent product. Can I use The Sikkens Door and window with added colorant? I painted the outside jambs with Sikkens door and windows dark oak as a test and not as dark as I hoped.

Maybe another system will be better.
Yes, Sikkens Door and Window can be used over Cetol 1 (2 coats recommended). If I recall correctly, Sikkens Door & Window, and also Cetol 23 Plus (which is designed to use with Cetol 1) are only available in 2 dark colors: 045 Mahogany and 009 Dark Oak. Other available colors are much lighter.

2 coats of Door & Window (or Cetol 23) Dark Oak over existing Cetol 1 will darken/deepen the color significantly. Also, I think it is ok to add colorant to Sikkens products to achieve a darker color if desired (I'd tint the first coat only).
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Yes, Sikkens Door and Window can be used over Cetol 1 (2 coats recommended). If I recall correctly, Sikkens Door & Window, and also Cetol 23 Plus (which is designed to use with Cetol 1) are only available in 2 dark colors: 045 Mahogany and 009 Dark Oak. Other available colors are much lighter.

2 coats of Door & Window (or Cetol 23) Dark Oak over existing Cetol 1 will darken/deepen the color significantly. Also, I think it is ok to add colorant to Sikkens products to achieve a darker color if desired (I'd tint the first coat only).
That's a good idea with tinting the first coat.
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How much tint will be needed for a 1QT can? To get this expresso?
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I wouldn't tint the any of the Sikkens finishes. The colorants can cloud the finish and make It more solid looking. So not a good idea. If anything, intermix colors. Either dark oak and mahogany Door & Window, or Cetol 1. The Cetol 1 is more pigmented, so maybe another coat of cetol 1 followed by a coat of 23 plus.
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Exterior mahogany doors make the outside of your house look more inviting. Exterior mahogany doors make the outside of your house look better taken care of. Exterior mahogany doors make the overall presentation of your home look more elegant.
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I wouldn't tint the any of the Sikkens finishes. The colorants can cloud the finish and make It more solid looking. So not a good idea. If anything, intermix colors. Either dark oak and mahogany Door & Window, or Cetol 1. The Cetol 1 is more pigmented, so maybe another coat of cetol 1 followed by a coat of 23 plus.

I'm new to Sikkens. Should you sand between coats? Application data calls for 80-120 grit before applying first coat. Looks like no further sanding is nessesary if you prep the door right.

Does that provide the best finish?

Also to get to a Expresso finish. Lets say we repaint using the Cetol 1 again. What formula will you use?

Objective is to show wood grain in a dark finish using Sikkens.

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I ended up going with old masters Gel Stain. Beautiful color. The gel stain looks great. What are my option to finish this off? I'm using Marine spar varnish satin finish. I,m not liking the finish.

What's other option do i have? No shean more then satin.

These door are drivin me nuts. Please help need UV protection
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I have not tried it yet, but Minwax has exterior waterbased spar urethane. I have always been pleased with minwax products.
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