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Old 08-01-2011, 10:16 PM   #1
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Hello,

I import flat packed furniture, mainly Bunk Beds from South Africa. After the long journey via container the beds are checked for Quality Control.

The headboards are are all packed together into one box. When they are unpacked we are having issues with the paint peeling and some sticking to the other parts.

When shipped the beds are stacked 10 high, so the lower beds have about 44lb (250kg) of weight on them.

Here are some photos of the bed and the issue we are having.







I am at a loss of what is happening. I was hoping that some professional spay painters could offer some advice. Or possibly some suggestions/procedures to that I could pass on to the manufacturer to resolve this issue.

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Old 08-01-2011, 10:19 PM   #2
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How are the parts packed? What separates the wood pieces and how thick is it?

What kind of finish is on them, solvent based or waterborne?
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Here is a Photo of the beds stacked 10 high.



This is what the beds look like packed. You can see they separate the beds with cardboard at the top, but the mid section of the head boards still touch.



A wider view.


We asked for the beds to Cure for 7 days prior to packing. But after packing they are sealed and enclosed not only in their own box, but a container also.

The paint used (I need to double check this) is:

The first coat is called HI-BODY NC WOOD PRIMER WHITE and this seal the timbre.

The top coat is called N.Y. SERIES "CATALAC" ACID CATALYSED LACQUERS in MATT WHITE colour

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Well, 250 kg is 551 lbs, and in my opinion that is far too much weight. You need a different packing plan. Is most of the damage on lower items in the stack?

For lacquer, not sure on full cure time but 7 days should be decent.

As a long shot, maybe the wood is burnished too smooth from the mill and needs to be opened up with some sanding for better adhesion. But, I think the weight is the problem. You need packaging that supports the weight so the product does not. Foam packing sheets might work a little better than cardboard as well between pieces.
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I agree with you on the weight, I will pass this on to the suppliers.

I will update you on our progress.

Thanks for the suggestions.

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Definitely find a better alternative to those thin cardboard strips that are supposed to separate the pieces. Dean's idea is great about the foam packing sheets and probably is cost comparable to what you're currently using.
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Thanks for the feedback.

Here is another question. I am unsure from the photos if you can tell but the paint has peeled off to the timber. You can pick the paint with your finger nail.

If I were to repair the damage to a respectable/passable finish for the most economical (both cost and time) what would you suggest?

I was thinking about spraying it with white spray paint. I could sand it with 400 gsm but there is still the hole.

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Why not just ship them raw or primed? You could paint them "in house" and offer a variety of color.
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Causes. Prep, weight, packing material, humidity, cure time. Any one of them or a combination of all.
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The paint used (I need to double check this) is:

The first coat is called HI-BODY NC WOOD PRIMER WHITE and this seal the timbre.

The top coat is called N.Y. SERIES "CATALAC" ACID CATALYSED LACQUERS in MATT WHITE colour

Attached please find data on products.

Regards

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NC lacquers and acid catalyzed lacquers are cheap junk. If they were using pre or post cat pigmented finishes this wouldn't happen as they can be stacked and packed safely within about 6 hours (overnight cure is best). Not sure if you have any control over the finishing but you could always ask them to wrap the pieces in plastic wrap which would help prevent the sticking. Might also help if they were using a primer but i'm guessing these aren't the highest quality pieces.
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The paint used (I need to double check this) is:

The first coat is called HI-BODY NC WOOD PRIMER WHITE and this seal the timbre.

cheap paint with low cure time and then having them touch each other. Going to have problems.

Better paint better packing. Thats the solution.
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Just assuming here but I bet upgrading the paint is not an option....
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So, if you were to give advice on the requirements for painting these beds would it be as follows?

I have put in [brackets] the suggestions I have been given, I would appreciate your thoughts on type of paint or extra steps that I should take.

To be dead honest, this is killing my business. I am at a loss on what to do. I am thinking of transposing the advice here to my supplier and give very detailed instructions on how to paint/pack the beds.

Prep [burnished so the primer can take]
Paint [?]
Cure [7 days +]
Wrap = [Plastic Wrap/Foam Separation]

The packing (stacking) is an issue as it the most efficient way to ship.

Thanks for everyone help so far

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So, if you were to give advice on the requirements for painting these beds would it be as follows?

I have put in [brackets] the suggestions I have been given, I would appreciate your thoughts on type of paint or extra steps that I should take.

To be dead honest, this is killing my business. I am at a loss on what to do. I am thinking of transposing the advice here to my supplier and give very detailed instructions on how to paint/pack the beds.

Prep [burnished so the primer can take]
Paint [?]
Cure [7 days +]
Wrap = [Plastic Wrap/Foam Separation]

The packing (stacking) is an issue as it the most efficient way to ship.

Thanks for everyone help so far

Regards

Hans
I'm not really answering your question but I think you should consider this first. An improvement of the magnitude you are proposing is going to increase the cost of those bed sets by a good bit.

They don't look like very expensive beds to begin with and you are the one who knows your supplier.

Would he be willing to improve the finish at additional cost? Will the beds still sell at the increased (I assume) price?

I think the cheaper solution is to stop stacking them so high and find better packing.
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