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Old 05-05-2010, 02:14 PM   #21
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Mista johnpaint high on yerrow paint fumes!
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What a ridiculous observation, that's like saying would you pay for your clothes knowing that the clothing store recoups the cost of stolen merchandise into your purchase price?

Duhhh - these are called the costs of doing business - or indirect overhead. Free estimates are basically allowing customers to inquire without spending. The sum total of all the different indirect overheads that goes into how we price is none of a homeowners business. Heck I had one lady tell me once that she wasn't responsible for my health care - I had another guy tell me he wasn't responsible for the repairs or gas on my truck! Obviously these are people that have no clue, therefore things like this should never be discussed. Business is business, everything is expensive, hand out your estimates with pride.
You would think when someone hangs a shingle they might have just a teeny tiny bit of business knowledge.
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What a ridiculous observation, that's like saying would you pay for your clothes knowing that the clothing store recoups the cost of stolen merchandise into your purchase price?

Duhhh - these are called the costs of doing business - or indirect overhead. Free estimates are basically allowing customers to inquire without spending. The sum total of all the different indirect overheads that goes into how we price is none of a homeowners business. Heck I had one lady tell me once that she wasn't responsible for my health care - I had another guy tell me he wasn't responsible for the repairs or gas on my truck! Obviously these are people that have no clue, therefore things like this should never be discussed. Business is business, everything is expensive, hand out your estimates with pride.
Very well put plain...these types will still occasionally get under my skin but I am quick to remember that this is my company and I conduct my business the way I want.If they want something different there are plenty of other painters willing to sell their soul for the job.
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With some of the answers here I am confused. Don't most people build the costs of performing estimates into their overhead? Do you really figure that "I'll just eat the costs."

Not busting balls, just wondering.
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With some of the answers here I am confused. Don't most people build the costs of performing estimates into their overhead? Do you really figure that "I'll just eat the costs."

Not busting balls, just wondering.
Please read post #17.
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With some of the answers here I am confused. Don't most people build the costs of performing estimates into their overhead? Do you really figure that "I'll just eat the costs."

Not busting balls, just wondering.
Bike

I went into this in one of the orginal pricing for estimate threads. I cant speak for anyone else, but I am a paint contracting business owner. I paint some, and do most critical functions related to building and sustaining a business. I am paid a salary each week by my company.

Estimating is one of my duties. Whether I do 25 estimates or 2 in a week, my paycheck is the same on friday. My salary is built into our pricing structure. Overhead. The number of estimates I do in a week has no bearing on how much I charge for the week or how much I get paid.

This seems like a topic that varies greatly from one business model to another though. There may be no right answer (although I think there is), but there is at least "right for me."



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VP- that's what I do. Just assumed it was a standard practice.
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Seems to be something hard to grasp for the guy who's still heavy in the bucket.
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VP- that's what I do. Just assumed it was a standard practice.
I thought so too. I wonder if this debate stems from situations where the owner is not on salary, but is only billable when spreading paint. In that case, it might breed a "dammit, if I have to put my brush down and go do an estimate, and lose billable time, someone is gonna have to pay" attitude.

Otherwise, I apologize to those who love the idea, but it just doesnt make much sense.

"The Ralph's" piece was a haggle over semantics in my opinion. As Daniel Tambasco put so well, its not directly billed to the customer, its a cost of doing business. Technically not free, but the guys doing the estimating hopefully run a good enough business to be getting themselves paid no matter what function they are performing in their business. I got paid just as much today to load 2k lf of beadboard on a truck and deliver it as I did to oversee all my painters by spending time on each job, as well as dealing with numerous customers, both in person and on the phone. Salary works well for owners. And that is because there is great incentive for the owner. The incentives and rewards of a successful business far exceed a $25 or $35 estimate charge.



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Seems to be something hard to grasp for the guy who's still heavy in the bucket.
You summarized perfectly in one sentence the bulk of what just took me about a half hour to write.



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Could you guys just pm each other and let Aaron write the posts?
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I'm not as wordy as LC, or as concise as Aaron. I am right in the middle. Which is consistent with the mediocracy that defines my existence.



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Slightly off topic, but I am hoping that Johnpaint will clue the rest of us in on: "Mistah Johnpaintah, gonna go and spread some yerrow paint!"

Its been a recurring punch line, just no joke attached to it.



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So this is where my wife gets all these crazy ideas! She gets a paycheck every two weeks and I do all the work!
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So this is where my wife gets all these crazy ideas! She gets a paycheck every two weeks and I do all the work!
Thats a good deal for you, Rob.



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So this is where my wife gets all these crazy ideas! She gets a paycheck every two weeks and I do all the work!
Your lucky,
My wife gets my paycheck and I do all the work.
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Slightly off topic, but I am hoping that Johnpaint will clue the rest of us in on: "Mistah Johnpaintah, gonna go and spread some yerrow paint!"

Its been a recurring punch line, just no joke attached to it.
Just weird.
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Your lucky,
My wife gets my paycheck and I do all the work.
She takes mine too! Do you get a allowance?
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Could you guys just pm each other and let Aaron write the posts?
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Slightly off topic, but I am hoping that Johnpaint will clue the rest of us in on: "Mistah Johnpaintah, gonna go and spread some yerrow paint!"

Its been a recurring punch line, just no joke attached to it.
Not sure how it started, talking with Nathan on the phone and he latched on to it. I think I was talking to him about painting someones interior yellow, or something.
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