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So I get a call from a general for painting. It’s the 2nd time he’s called me about different jobs. The first time I told him a sq ft price and he said “is that what you charge contractors?” The most recent he told me whatever my bid will be he is adding $1,500. I get the fact he needs to make money but he then calls me after I give him a verbal $ amount and asks if I can discount. My price is very competitive. I usually don’t work with contractors for this reason. What do you all do in this situation?


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So I get a call from a general for painting. It’s the 2nd time he’s called me about different jobs. The first time I told him a sq ft price and he said “is that what you charge contractors?” The most recent he told me whatever my bid will be he is adding $1,500. I get the fact he needs to make money but he then calls me after I give him a verbal $ amount and asks if I can discount. My price is very competitive. I usually don’t work with contractors for this reason. What do you all do in this situation?


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So I get a call from a general for painting. It’s the 2nd time he’s called me about different jobs. The first time I told him a sq ft price and he said “is that what you charge contractors?” The most recent he told me whatever my bid will be he is adding $1,500. I get the fact he needs to make money but he then calls me after I give him a verbal $ amount and asks if I can discount. My price is very competitive. I usually don’t work with contractors for this reason. What do you all do in this situation?


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In situations like you describe, I usually won’t work with them either.
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So I get a call from a general for painting. It’s the 2nd time he’s called me about different jobs. The first time I told him a sq ft price and he said “is that what you charge contractors?” The most recent he told me whatever my bid will be he is adding $1,500. I get the fact he needs to make money but he then calls me after I give him a verbal $ amount and asks if I can discount. My price is very competitive. I usually don’t work with contractors for this reason. What do you all do in this situation?


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He sounds like the typical disingenuous greedy POS General contractor.

I mean, I can almost guarantee that you as a painting contractor will not earn a $1,500 profit from the job. Yes, you could earn $50/hr but you will not add a $1500 cherry on top when the dust settles.

Why doesn't he want to lower his $1500 gratuity for using YOU as a plow horse? NO...he expects YOU to lower YOUR net profit for the job.

It's the summer time so we as painters are in the power position. I notice an uptick in GC's calling me these days because they cannot find painters. We don't have to accept crumbs when it's harvest time. And don't believe that they will treat you the same way in the winter. They will expect you to lower your bid because of all the painters out of work. These people are not your friends.

The guy is lying to you. RUN away from this creep.
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Most good GC's will add 10-15% of your bid for supervision. If they are adding that much they are screwing over the client.
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Sounds like you will have to decide if that is a business relationship your willing to take on. Once you agree to any of his terms he will for sure use that for future transactions with you. With any new client whether its a residential customer or general contractor, The first job I do is always full price. There is always risk when you sign a contract with someone and you never know how they are going to be during the work.
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I'd tell him politely to get bent.
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I had one time where a general contractor turned in my estimate for double. I was a 2500 for painting three rooms and a hallway and he turned it in for 5000. This was for walls only. Interesting story how I found out.


This job really did not need a contractor as it was only painting but for what ever reason the homeowner called this one. I had done a couple jobs for the general contractor before but not many. Well needless to say we did not get the job and I knew the painter that did and was talking to him about it at the paint store. He said the homeowner showed him the proposal for 5,000 and wondered why I was so expensive to paint a few rooms.


I can see if I had underbid it the contractor would try to make money or protect against coming back needing to ask for more money but to double a bid come on if you think I am that low you need to ask before you turn in the estimate. I asked him about it. He said he needs to make money too.
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Thanks guys, I too had another contractor add “double” to a bid and watched someone else paint it. As for this job I did give a very near full price bid I know the GC we worked together on another project but I wasn’t in contract with him we had separate jobs from a realtor. Anyway I’m going to give him a chance. I’d like to have a couple decent contractors call me in times of need. It’s crazy busy here in Utah and in my county I watch GC’s cycle through “handymen painters” and always end up calling back the licensed guys.


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I had one time where a general contractor turned in my estimate for double. I was a 2500 for painting three rooms and a hallway and he turned it in for 5000. This was for walls only. Interesting story how I found out.


This job really did not need a contractor as it was only painting but for what ever reason the homeowner called this one. I had done a couple jobs for the general contractor before but not many. Well needless to say we did not get the job and I knew the painter that did and was talking to him about it at the paint store. He said the homeowner showed him the proposal for 5,000 and wondered why I was so expensive to paint a few rooms.


I can see if I had underbid it the contractor would try to make money or protect against coming back needing to ask for more money but to double a bid come on if you think I am that low you need to ask before you turn in the estimate. I asked him about it. He said he needs to make money too.


Yeah but for what? $2,500.00 is an awful lot for finding a painter! 10-15% seems reasonable but $2,500 is crazy. Why should he get that much for basically connecting the OP and his "client". (or mark as they would call it in the underworld.)
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He sounds like the typical disingenuous greedy POS General contractor.

I mean, I can almost guarantee that you as a painting contractor will not earn a $1,500 profit from the job. Yes, you could earn $50/hr but you will not add a $1500 cherry on top when the dust settles.

Why doesn't he want to lower his $1500 gratuity for using YOU as a plow horse? NO...he expects YOU to lower YOUR net profit for the job.

It's the summer time so we as painters are in the power position. I notice an uptick in GC's calling me these days because they cannot find painters. We don't have to accept crumbs when it's harvest time. And don't believe that they will treat you the same way in the winter. They will expect you to lower your bid because of all the painters out of work. These people are not your friends.

The guy is lying to you. RUN away from this creep.

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I dont work for GC's Get me the owner... I want to deal soley with the owner... besides they know colors, finishes, ect... I flat out refuse to work for GC's

Ill tell you a little story...

I worked for a GC once... and my bid came in at 8K (too low)... he argued 6K and I did it for 6...

the job took 3 months, which I did primarily myself... after which, gas, material, (not counting OH, I made less than $0.50 cents an hour.

That job, nearly bankrupted me.

I applied for social programs, to heat my house that year... I did the job and completed it, and got paid... my bids from the contractor - I never got any more work from him... Today? that paint job would be bid at atleast $15,000. I used Freshstart oil and impervo oil on all trim... and duration on all walls and ceilings... I lost my ass.. I had to borrow money from family to keep gas in my truck....

Never again. I will NEVER work for a GC ever.

When they call, I tell them $5 a foot... usually ends the conversation pretty fast.
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Yeah but for what? $2,500.00 is an awful lot for finding a painter! 10-15% seems reasonable but $2,500 is crazy. Why should he get that much for basically connecting the OP and his "client". (or mark as they would call it in the underworld.)









That was my point when I asked him why he added so much. I am not defending him at all. It cost me and him the job. If he had added 500 instead of 2500 I'm sure we would have gotten the job. Its crazy sometimes what people try to get away with.
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Scuzzy, be glad the job fell through and do not consider any work for this AH again! I would think with greed like that there might also be an issue of collection on the back end.
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You can lose, and lose BIG with GC's talking with other painters at SW, they have a very sour taste for GC's from not getting paid to trying to make them lose money so the GC makes money...

no thanks...

Speaking of which, I saw the GC I worked for some 7+ years ago, his truck at HD.. checked the registration, a 2017 F450 16' cube van... Saw him in the store, he asked if I want more work (cause im cheap) my response: I am probably too expensive for your budget... havent heard from him since
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GC's, especially the bigger they are, love to get small contractors to bid their work. They're like Vultures circling above, waiting to dive in for the kill.
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