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Old 06-12-2019, 05:13 PM   #21
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One funny thing was they were selling a cordless hammer drill but the picture was a bright red tea kettle. It was a nice tea kettle though.
Amazon sells a LOT of pirate wares and fake goods. I would never trust them on stuff that matters. The nice red tea kettle would not worry me so much.
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It's a sander attached to a vacuum + iphone-level marketing. Contractors have been known to kill themselves if they don't get the new model the day it comes out.
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"Fine" German made tools:
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Auch du lieber! Is that in Deutsche Marks or USD????
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ok,. so somebody mentioned 'Mirka", and I have not looked into it, but it makes me wonder, what is close to festool, but cheaper?
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I just checked amazon.ca and they sell quite a bit of Festool stuff on there. Interestingly, a bunch of their sanding pads are "currently unavailable" and I think the highest grit pads they had were 220 although I don't think I've ever used anything higher than that.


One funny thing was they were selling a cordless hammer drill but the picture was a bright red tea kettle. It was a nice tea kettle though.
I use the Mirka Abranet (mesh) pads for my Festool finish sanders. I just bought a box of 50 (120 grit) from Amazon and got it the next day.

I haven't tried their 40,60, 80 grit sandpaper discs yet but will soon. I'll also be ordering some of their 9" pads for my Porter Cable wall sander.
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Amazon sells a LOT of pirate wares and fake goods. I would never trust them on stuff that matters. The nice red tea kettle would not worry me so much.
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I've never, ever had a problem with anything bought on Amazon.com, if you don't like the product when you get it just go back online and make sure you say that it didn't meet your expectations, don't click you've changed your mind or you'll have to pay for return shipping charges.
Is Canadian Amazon different than the US?
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@Brushman4 I actually hate ALL of Amazon's business practices. The working conditions, the fact that they compete with their own sellers, the damage they have done to small business'; books could be written about the damage Amazon has done! I also hate Google and Facebook with all of their related sites. These new "tech" companies have more power than our Governments. I find them frightening! I try to buy direct from companies and stores. A Great read is "The Myth of Capitalism" by Jonathan Tepper. SPOILER: Capitalism does not exist.
While I'm on about good reads, another is "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".
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I find the difficulties of meeting my own responsibilities and obligations, and prioritizing it all with the least amount grief and suffering, leaves me little room to be too concerned with the indignation of the working class. As a member of the working class, and excluding all of the social media venues, I find Amazon and other internet resources, including youtube, to be very convenient, helpful, and a great source of knowledge.


So, I guess I'll wait for the apocalypse to prove me wrong. And only then, and with great humility, I'll be willing to accept the "I told you so's". Meanwhile, It's all pretty good!

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@Brushman4 I actually hate ALL of Amazon's business practices. The working conditions, the fact that they compete with their own sellers, the damage they have done to small business'; books could be written about the damage Amazon has done! I also hate Google and Facebook with all of their related sites. These new "tech" companies have more power than our Governments. I find them frightening! I try to buy direct from companies and stores. A Great read is "The Myth of Capitalism" by Jonathan Tepper. SPOILER: Capitalism does not exist.
While I'm on about good reads, another is "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".

I agree with much of what you say. And, only speaking for myself, I find the monopolistic reality of mega-corporations very disturbing. They do have too much power, and a sad fact that 90% of the working population in the United States fights for the scraps left over after the top 10 percent (especially the top 1%) gets "their share," while doing so while wages/earning power have not increased hardly at all over the last 30 years, while that of the top percent has increased anywhere from 150-340% is alarming, to say the least.



I'm a right wing, conservative person, but I'm not going to pretend that things are good/fair for the majority of people. What this has to do with being done with Festool I don't know, I've never owned any of their products.
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I'm a right wing, conservative person, but I'm not going to pretend that things are good/fair for the majority of people. What this has to do with being done with Festool I don't know, I've never owned any of their products.
Only that a suggestion was made I go looking for Festool supplies on Amazon. Rather than do that I went to an independent tool business that is also a Festool dealer in the USA and had an order sent to a US address to be picked up. There are a lot more Festool products available state-side!
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@Brushman4 I actually hate ALL of Amazon's business practices. The working conditions, the fact that they compete with their own sellers, the damage they have done to small business'; books could be written about the damage Amazon has done! I also hate Google and Facebook with all of their related sites. These new "tech" companies have more power than our Governments. I find them frightening! I try to buy direct from companies and stores. A Great read is "The Myth of Capitalism" by Jonathan Tepper. SPOILER: Capitalism does not exist.
While I'm on about good reads, another is "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".
You may hate all of their (Amazon's ) business practices, everything that Google and Facebook stand for and do! I feel the same way but if 95 % of the consumers out there think they are great, WTF are you going to do?
I can shop locally and not find many of the latest products that are readily available online, and I have to schlep them home and if they are not as advertised, schlep them back.

Just give into the reality that things aren't going to go back to the way they were when we were growing up, so let go and go with the flow or be left behind.

You can read all the books that villanize the corporate world that exists today, the truth is that the younger generations don't give a crap. Read Thomas L Friedman's book The World Is Flat, which was published way back in 2005 and has only accelerated since then!

If you truly believe you can fight the corporatization, monopolization and complete control these mega entities have, then cancel your cell phone, internet, and cable services. See if any of them care?
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You may hate all of their (Amazon's ) business practices, everything that Google and Facebook stand for and do! I feel the same way but if 95 % of the consumers out there think they are great, WTF are you going to do?

I can shop locally and not find many of the latest products that are readily available online, and I have to schlep them home and if they are not as advertised, schlep them back.



Just give into the reality that things aren't going to go back to the way they were when we were growing up, so let go and go with the flow or be left behind.



You can read all the books that villanize the corporate world that exists today, the truth is that the younger generations don't give a crap. Read Thomas L Friedman's book The World Is Flat, which was published way back in 2005 and has only accelerated since then!



If you truly believe you can fight the corporatization, monopolization and complete control these mega entities have, then cancel your cell phone, internet, and cable services. See if any of them care?
There's definitely truth in what you say. But it's kind of like saying" well if nobody else is going to recycle, then why should I.".
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Iíve mentioned in a prior thread of my love-hate relationship with Festool. Iíve also compared my dependence on the Festool sanders to the USMCís Riflemanís Creed ..ĒThis is my Rotex, there are many like it, but this one is mine...Ē. Thereís not a work day that goes by that I donít have a Festool sander of sorts in my hands at least 50% of the day, having become an essential part of my product and service, differentiating me from my local competition in terms of the quality prep work I put out.

I first implemented the use of Festool equipment back in 2006, having a woodworking shop and wood finishing/floor finishing business in addition to the painting, the Festool systems being the perfect compliment to my business.

If Iím not mistaken, Festool USA in their earlier years, sold consumer direct via mail order, purchasing all my abrasives and accessories directly from Festool. Festool stopped selling consumer direct early-on as they started expanding, not wanting to compete with the franchised retailers.

The local mom and pop retailers failed at maintaining inventories of even simple necessity items such as dust extraction bags, the early plug-its that frequently broke, and common abrasives, often finding myself having to empty out the dust bags, reusing them in hopes of not tearing them, temporarily hard wiring my sanders, or using 2 rectangular RTS 400 abrasives on my Rotex, defeating the entire purpose, just to get me through the day.

Obtaining abrasives was always and continues being a problem, often spending two hours out of my day hitting up 4 retailers over a 50 mile radius and still coming up short, until the advent of e-commerce, now purchasing everything over the internet, even from Amazon, still encountering problems with abrasives on back-order from the online retailers.

I have since found a non-Amazon retailer in Brooklyn (Tools for Working Wood) that maintains inventories of ďeveryĒ abrasive, accessory, and sundry I could possibly ever need, purchasing mail order from them with free ground shipping, never having to wait more than a day. They also show when and if something is not in stock on their website, and you can extrapolate actual inventories from their online ordering form by typing in quantities, the numbers wonít take if the quantity exceeds inventory. I rarely to never see anything that isnít in stock.

Iíve also learned to maintain par-stock inventories, not purchasing when my supplies get critically low, attempting to maintain necessary supplies at least 30 days out, often sitting on several $K in abrasives/replacement pads/dust bags, knowing that they will eventually be used. Nobody likes to have their hard earned cash tied up in abrasives, not knowing what tomorrow might bring, but I the meantime we are running a businesses..
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I agree with much of what you say. And, only speaking for myself, I find the monopolistic reality of mega-corporations very disturbing. They do have too much power, and a sad fact that 90% of the working population in the United States fights for the scraps left over after the top 10 percent (especially the top 1%) gets "their share," while doing so while wages/earning power have not increased hardly at all over the last 30 years, while that of the top percent has increased anywhere from 150-340% is alarming, to say the least.



I'm a right wing, conservative person, but I'm not going to pretend that things are good/fair for the majority of people. What this has to do with being done with Festool I don't know, I've never owned any of their products.

Isn't this disparity the working class insists on, merely a false perception based on status rather than actual living conditions? For example, lending options and the internet market has provided access to just about every consumer item we can get our greedy little hands on. And of course, when you're playing on a level field, suddenly you find yourself competing with people above your skill sets, or financial resources as the case may be.


So sure, if the 99% wants to compete aesthetically with the 1%, they are going to discover all kinds of disparities. I mean, do we all really need a three car garage in a 3,000 square foot mini mansion?


In general, The Western World has it better than ever. And I am very pleased I am fortunate enough to experience it. Then again I do live within my means, which provides all of the necessities I need to live comfortably and still be able to save for retirement and the occasional extracurricular activity.
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@jennifertemple You should try Lee Valley. Theyíre a Canadian company that specializes in woodworking and they also stock the entire Festool catalog. They also manufacture their own line of high-end hand planes and chisels under the Veritas brand name.

Iíve ordered a few things from them in the Usa and everything arrived quickly and was packaged well.


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@jennifertemple You should try Lee Valley. Theyíre a Canadian company that specializes in woodworking and they also stock the entire Festool catalog. They also manufacture their own line of high-end hand planes and chisels under the Veritas brand name.

Iíve ordered a few things from them in the Usa and everything arrived quickly and was packaged well.
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They stock all the tools but VERY LIMITED accessories. I know Lee Valley well and love them BUT NOT FOR FESTOOL.
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I have Festool's track saw. You might find that the "Toolnut" in the USA might be more responsive. They have been for me.

https://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearc...festool+sander
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I still think Festool is over rated. Maybe for the specialized woodworker it has a lot of value. But for the regular Paint Dawgs grinding their way through the peels, blisters, and scales found across all sorts of substrates and surfaces, tools off the big box shelves work just fine in my opinion.
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Isn't this disparity the working class insists on, merely a false perception based on status rather than actual living conditions? For example, lending options and the internet market has provided access to just about every consumer item we can get our greedy little hands on. And of course, when you're playing on a level field, suddenly you find yourself competing with people above your skill sets, or financial resources as the case may be.


So sure, if the 99% wants to compete aesthetically with the 1%, they are going to discover all kinds of disparities. I mean, do we all really need a three car garage in a 3,000 square foot mini mansion?


In general, The Western World has it better than ever. And I am very pleased I am fortunate enough to experience it. Then again I do live within my means, which provides all of the necessities I need to live comfortably and still be able to save for retirement and the occasional extracurricular activity.

I don't see how the disparity is a false perception. When your ability to pay rent/mortgage, eat, and pay your other bills is dependent upon income which largely comes from a paycheck that hasn't increased to keep up with the rise in the cost of living, while the income/wealth of the top 10% has more than kept up (more than a hundred-fold) with the cost of living/inflation, it quickly becomes obvious that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.



Most of the available jobs are service/food related and are low-paying. And not everyone can get a job in software, engineering, the medical field, etc. Things aren't as rosy as they seem. The majority of the population has only 400 dollars put aside for an emergency, and they have no money with which to invest, and are over 7,000 dollars in debt. I'm not getting into how they choose to spend or save their money, but these are facts. I'm also careful with my money and am not personally angry about "the system," but I see a growing disparity and find it extremely troublesome.



I'm not advocating for socialism, but if something is not done, and we leave the ultra-wealthy and their political friends to their own devices, the disparity is only going to increase. The last 40 years (trickle down economics) proves it. Most gets sucked up, relatively little trickles down.



It's probably too late already, but I would not be surprised if the 2020 election goes to a Democratic candidate, because they at least lie well enough to convince many people that wealth will be redistributed, wages will be raised, as will the taxes on corporations and the ultra-rich, which makes logical sense to many.



I think that, ultimately, how anyone views how wealth should be distributed depends primarily upon where they sit in the socio-economic strata.



I do agree that the Western world has it better than ever, it's just relative depending upon each person's economic position.
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The service industry will naturally be a low wage industry because of the business saturation and competition for customers. It's probably not the best industry to stake an entire career on unless the organization provides decent benefits and cost of living increases that at least provide a sustainable life style. And those companies are far and few between. Actually, to even have these jobs available to natural born citizens who may not have access to higher learning, or may not want to seek higher skill sets, is a topic for another discussion. And then there's the loss of manufacturing jobs to foreign countries.


I would blame the grotesque cost of housing, in supposedly very attractive locations like the San Francisco Bay area, to be one of the real disparities that exist.


Aside from that, I don't understand why I should be bitter about wealthy people, or why they should even care about me, the working class. I mean, as dumbed down a society as we've become in terms of the imbecilic behavior witnessed daily, its no wonder the one percent doesn't take an interest. I don't trust us either!
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