Groupon for painters..ours is starting - Page 2 - Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum
CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY, IT'S FREE!
Go Back   Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum > Painting Forum > General Painting Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-27-2011, 08:07 PM   #21
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: ohio
Posts: 3,297
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 930
Thanked 441 Times in 388 Posts
View KLaw's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Very interesting replies.
KLaw is offline   Reply With Quote

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. PaintTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-27-2011, 08:09 PM   #22
Sterling Painting LTD
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 211
Rewards Points: 150
Thanks: 95
Thanked 53 Times in 34 Posts
View SterlingPainting's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Just Curious how many of these rooms a 2 man crew can pump out in a day Shearer? Or do you send out one man crews? The driving (not to mention gas) would eat up alot of profits I would imagine. For example in Calgary you would have to alot at least 1/2 hour in between jobs. I could only imagine 1 guy pumping out 3 per day..so that would be $450 a day gross.

And then I wonder how far out in advance someone would book a 1 room paint job? 30-60 days at the most I would think. Looks like a tough grind, but for a large company could be worth it.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
SterlingPainting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2011, 08:15 PM   #23
"Member"
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 10,719
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 5,401
Thanked 5,705 Times in 3,060 Posts
View NEPS.US's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Just like with any other marketing ventures you have to realize to what clientel you are offering your services to. For those that think that this system helps to build your client base I would be very careful. Most people looking for the best deal they can find are usually not looking for high quality or looking to build a long lasting relationship.
NEPS.US is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to NEPS.US For This Useful Post:
Fishing and Painting (12-29-2011), nEighter (04-01-2011), straight_lines (03-27-2011)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-27-2011, 08:22 PM   #24
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: ohio
Posts: 3,297
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 930
Thanked 441 Times in 388 Posts
View KLaw's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEPS.US View Post
Just like with any other marketing ventures you have to realize to what clientel you are offering your services to. For those that think that this system helps to build your client base I would be very careful. Most people looking for the best deal they can find are usually not looking for high quality or looking to build a long lasting relationship.
Good point - dude. Initially, we landed a lot of leads. Closed on very few. Again - we are talking initially...
KLaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2011, 08:25 PM   #25
Senior Member
 
PressurePros's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 5,097
Rewards Points: 3,012
Thanks: 1,937
Thanked 5,800 Times in 2,487 Posts
View PressurePros's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEPS.US View Post
Just like with any other marketing ventures you have to realize to what clientel you are offering your services to. For those that think that this system helps to build your client base I would be very careful. Most people looking for the best deal they can find are usually not looking for high quality or looking to build a long lasting relationship.

agreed. Bargain hunters will shop you for a dime. I think Groupon works best for high repeat bricks-and-mortar retail.. restaurants, specialty foods etc. I am curious to see how these service companies using it make out in the long run.
__________________
PressurePros is a Pressure Washing Company servicing Delaware and Montgomery Counties in PA

PressurePros is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to PressurePros For This Useful Post:
nEighter (04-01-2011)
Old 03-27-2011, 08:27 PM   #26
"Member"
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 10,719
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 5,401
Thanked 5,705 Times in 3,060 Posts
View NEPS.US's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PressurePros View Post
agreed. Bargain hunters will shop you for a dime. I think Groupon works best for high repeat bricks-and-mortar retail.. restaurants, specialty foods etc. I am curious to see how these service companies using it make out in the long run.

It's very difficult to sell labor like selling widgets.
NEPS.US is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2011, 08:33 PM   #27
RCP
Senior Member
 
RCP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Southwestern Utah
Posts: 12,314
Rewards Points: 78
Thanks: 4,400
Thanked 4,803 Times in 3,011 Posts
View RCP's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I agree, I was looking at the closest area to me, Las Vegas, and it was all helicopter rides, rooms, tickets, stuff that is really the same no matter where you buy it from. I think restaurants would do well also, especially BOGO offers.
__________________
Chris

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
RCP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2011, 01:09 AM   #28
SeHablaEspaņol
 
AztecPainting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Victoria, BC
Posts: 843
Rewards Points: 500
Thanks: 596
Thanked 348 Times in 211 Posts
View AztecPainting's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Hmmm... My wife and me were thinking about it but, we couldn't figure out what to offer without hurting us, cause really you gotta bring down prices and that hurts, then I thought that this would probably sound good for the $99.00 a room guy from here, as they already have that niche of cheap people... I don't think a service other than nails, spas, hairstylist will be worth it, specially painting, our services can be way too complex and we have to say that there is no identical house or room. Just my 2 cents but please, let us know how this work for you I might be wrong.
__________________
"Common sense is so rare, it should be classified as a superpower"
<
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
><
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
>
AztecPainting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2011, 01:09 AM   #29
Senior Member
 
y.painting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,886
Rewards Points: 1,000
Thanks: 349
Thanked 1,136 Times in 611 Posts
View y.painting's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Groupon can be a killer, literally a profit killer if one isn't careful with the math. If I know anything about John, I'm sure he did the numbers so I'm sure it will work out. But still, one should be very careful with these group-buying things.

If you search online, you can find multiple stories of businesses that almost went bankrupt because their groupon deal just proved too big a hit with the customers.

There's also a survey I saw a few months back somewhere online of restaurant owners that have used Groupon for their businesses (I can't find it now but will look more tomorrow) that showed that a large portion of the redemptions of groupons was done by already existing customers (ie people that would have probably bought anyways) and that most of the new customers tipped way less than average and bought only the minimum required by the groupon fine print. Not exactly the clientel I'd want to drive as a restaurant owner. Not sure if the same would apply to our business.
__________________
Yaro S.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
y.painting is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to y.painting For This Useful Post:
ewingpainting.net (03-28-2011), nEighter (04-01-2011), NEPS.US (03-28-2011), RCP (03-28-2011), Seattlepainting (04-01-2011)
Old 03-28-2011, 11:29 AM   #30
Outhouse Painter
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Virginia
Posts: 700
Rewards Points: 500
Thanks: 87
Thanked 359 Times in 229 Posts
View Wood511's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Groupon is great if you are buying the deal, but typically not so much if you are on the offering side.

I've done vineyard/wine consulting over the years and one of my clients was approached about a Groupon deal. The price reductions were the same as mentioned earlier, so you wound up receiving about 25% of your normal retail price. We didn't bite and I actually laughed at the guy when he said they take 50% after we had already cut our price in half. I told him we could talk if they ever wanted to take 25%, but he never budged from his number.

There are similar sites out there, but not as large or prominent. I think one of these sites could probably do quite well if they took a smaller cut. The model is good, but Groupon is too greedy for most biz owners to bite.
Wood511 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 01:21 AM   #31
Senior Member
 
y.painting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,886
Rewards Points: 1,000
Thanks: 349
Thanked 1,136 Times in 611 Posts
View y.painting's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Hope this don't offend too many folks...I just thought it was funny...how excited people get about coupons.

y.painting is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to y.painting For This Useful Post:
Schmidt & Co. (03-31-2011), Seattlepainting (04-01-2011)
Old 03-30-2011, 08:51 AM   #32
Senior Member
 
kdpaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,653
Rewards Points: 1,058
Thanks: 913
Thanked 1,004 Times in 641 Posts
View kdpaint's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Thats awesome. I am interested to see how groupon could work, right now its tough to see it. Maybe if I double my price(or jack it some amount) then do the groupon thing....
kdpaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 09:18 AM   #33
Senior Member
 
PressurePros's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 5,097
Rewards Points: 3,012
Thanks: 1,937
Thanked 5,800 Times in 2,487 Posts
View PressurePros's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kdpaint View Post
Thats awesome. I am interested to see how groupon could work, right now its tough to see it. Maybe if I double my price(or jack it some amount) then do the groupon thing....
I've been told they research that extensively. You may have to provide past invoices and they may well determine what is "fair market value" for your area. IMO, they are out of their minds asking people to accept 25% of their usual rates. Maybe on clothing with a 300% markup, but on a service? No thanks.

Another benefit that a friend told me about (that used them). He told me he received 1500 unique visitors to his website in two days (his usual was 60 for the same period). If you could make a landing page and entice others to maybe give you an email address or offer alternative services, that would be an added benefit of utilizing the potential customer count.
__________________
PressurePros is a Pressure Washing Company servicing Delaware and Montgomery Counties in PA

PressurePros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 10:15 AM   #34
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 131
Rewards Points: 75
Thanks: 94
Thanked 44 Times in 37 Posts
View Goode Painters's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Hey guys maybe thats why shearer never responds after the original post, he is just so busy tryin to keep up with all the groupon work
Goode Painters is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Goode Painters For This Useful Post:
Seattlepainting (04-01-2011)
Old 03-31-2011, 02:18 PM   #35
Member
 
LocalPaintPros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 73
Rewards Points: 75
Thanks: 19
Thanked 35 Times in 20 Posts
View LocalPaintPros's Photo Album My Photos
Default

We've had a couple of painters in my area do "one room, walls only, customer supplies paint" offers for $79. One sold 132 of them (I think that was his limit). Personally, I can't see having to do 132 jobs for $40 each as being worthwhile. At 3 per day tops, and working 6 days a week, that's 7 weeks of time! Clearly he was betting on upsells/follow-ons/referrals. But as has already been pointed out, is the bargain basement shopper who is really going to bring a lot more good business?

I agree that Groupon makes the most sense for high-margin businesses, anyone who is almost guaranteed a *lot* of repeat busness (hair stylists, for example), businesses who will almost certainly upsell or add-on (food service), or overstock/clearance items (saw someone oce do a clearance on last year's designer handbags).

For my business we have *toyed* with the idea (read that as "we haven't convinced ourselves it will work yet) of teaming up with a number of Interior Designers that we work with and offering Color/Design Consultations. For example, if the Designer charges $80, we guarantee them X number of consults at $50 each. Then we go through Groupon to sell 100 consults at $40, we get $20 of that and therefore effectively pay $30 per "lead".

Looking at this purely as "Advertising", we would spend $3,000 net, but we'd have the exposure to all of Groupons subscribers, plus we'd have a foot in the door (through the Designers who would talk us up) with 100 potential customers -- people who are for sure thinking of painting. Since we would set the appointments for the Designers, we could also offer to set up a painting estimate appointment (but not at the same time as the Designer's appointment -- no "three-legged sales calls"). The Designers would help sell us as the paint company of choice.

If the conversion rate was 10% and the average job was $2,500), we would have spend $3K to get $25K of business, or about 12%. Not great, but maybe acceptable. But downside risk is limited to just the $3K and upside potential could be far greater. Plus we're strengthening our relationship with our Designers.

What do you all think?
__________________
I understand the painting business because I currently run a successful painting company that I have owned for 6 years. I enjoy contributing to forums with my perspective on technology, business, and painting. I am also involved with a business services venture (details at at
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.
LocalPaintPros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2011, 04:33 PM   #36
Senior Member
 
PressurePros's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 5,097
Rewards Points: 3,012
Thanks: 1,937
Thanked 5,800 Times in 2,487 Posts
View PressurePros's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LocalPaintPros View Post
We've had a couple of painters in my area do "one room, walls only, customer supplies paint" offers for $79. One sold 132 of them (I think that was his limit). Personally, I can't see having to do 132 jobs for $40 each as being worthwhile. At 3 per day tops, and working 6 days a week, that's 7 weeks of time! Clearly he was betting on upsells/follow-ons/referrals. But as has already been pointed out, is the bargain basement shopper who is really going to bring a lot more good business?

I agree that Groupon makes the most sense for high-margin businesses, anyone who is almost guaranteed a *lot* of repeat busness (hair stylists, for example), businesses who will almost certainly upsell or add-on (food service), or overstock/clearance items (saw someone oce do a clearance on last year's designer handbags).

For my business we have *toyed* with the idea (read that as "we haven't convinced ourselves it will work yet) of teaming up with a number of Interior Designers that we work with and offering Color/Design Consultations. For example, if the Designer charges $80, we guarantee them X number of consults at $50 each. Then we go through Groupon to sell 100 consults at $40, we get $20 of that and therefore effectively pay $30 per "lead".

Looking at this purely as "Advertising", we would spend $3,000 net, but we'd have the exposure to all of Groupons subscribers, plus we'd have a foot in the door (through the Designers who would talk us up) with 100 potential customers -- people who are for sure thinking of painting. Since we would set the appointments for the Designers, we could also offer to set up a painting estimate appointment (but not at the same time as the Designer's appointment -- no "three-legged sales calls"). The Designers would help sell us as the paint company of choice.

If the conversion rate was 10% and the average job was $2,500), we would have spend $3K to get $25K of business, or about 12%. Not great, but maybe acceptable. But downside risk is limited to just the $3K and upside potential could be far greater. Plus we're strengthening our relationship with our Designers.

What do you all think?
To me, too much downside possibility for a mediocre return on a successful campaign. My feeling is that as these services such as Groupon become more popular (there are 4 major ones in my area advertising aggressively), people are going to put together a la carte services from them. One body shop offers 50% off any body work in hopes of selling the paint job. I pick up my unpainted car and take advantage of the next body shop offering 50% paint jobs off hoping to upsell me premium paint or bodywork. Then I keep finding car washes running their 50% specials. There is no reason for customer loyalty as there is always another deal waiting in the wings.

There is one word becoming prevalent in my mind.. cancer. I think these sites are going to exploit starry eyed and hungry vendors. I admire the business model from a pure capitalist standpoint. Its ingenious and its a winner. Kinda like a bookie... win or lose, they make money.
__________________
PressurePros is a Pressure Washing Company servicing Delaware and Montgomery Counties in PA

PressurePros is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to PressurePros For This Useful Post:
cardwizzard (03-31-2011), CliffK (03-31-2011), George Z (03-31-2011)
Old 03-31-2011, 08:58 PM   #37
Painting Contractor
 
George Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,565
Rewards Points: 1,888
Thanks: 2,901
Thanked 2,423 Times in 1,140 Posts
View George Z's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LocalPaintPros View Post
We've had a couple of painters in my area do "one room, walls only, customer supplies paint" offers for $79. One sold 132 of them (I think that was his limit). Personally, I can't see having to do 132 jobs for $40 each as being worthwhile. At 3 per day tops, and working 6 days a week, that's 7 weeks of time! Clearly he was betting on upsells/follow-ons/referrals. But as has already been pointed out, is the bargain basement shopper who is really going to bring a lot more good business?

I agree that Groupon makes the most sense for high-margin businesses, anyone who is almost guaranteed a *lot* of repeat busness (hair stylists, for example), businesses who will almost certainly upsell or add-on (food service), or overstock/clearance items (saw someone oce do a clearance on last year's designer handbags).

For my business we have *toyed* with the idea (read that as "we haven't convinced ourselves it will work yet) of teaming up with a number of Interior Designers that we work with and offering Color/Design Consultations. For example, if the Designer charges $80, we guarantee them X number of consults at $50 each. Then we go through Groupon to sell 100 consults at $40, we get $20 of that and therefore effectively pay $30 per "lead".

Looking at this purely as "Advertising", we would spend $3,000 net, but we'd have the exposure to all of Groupons subscribers, plus we'd have a foot in the door (through the Designers who would talk us up) with 100 potential customers -- people who are for sure thinking of painting. Since we would set the appointments for the Designers, we could also offer to set up a painting estimate appointment (but not at the same time as the Designer's appointment -- no "three-legged sales calls"). The Designers would help sell us as the paint company of choice.

If the conversion rate was 10% and the average job was $2,500), we would have spend $3K to get $25K of business, or about 12%. Not great, but maybe acceptable. But downside risk is limited to just the $3K and upside potential could be far greater. Plus we're strengthening our relationship with our Designers.

What do you all think?
What do you mean by Designers? At $40.00?
Professionals (we like that type) would not touch anything for a minimum of $300-$400.00 a consult.
Not allowed to use the term "Designer" here unless you have University Education and plenty of certification.
$40.00 you are using Penelope (your neighbours wife) that has nothing better to do.
See the trend here?
Let's see how we can make the cheapest of the cheap work.
Lose some money and then make it up on volume.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by George Z; 03-31-2011 at 09:00 PM..
George Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2011, 09:33 PM   #38
"Member"
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 10,719
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 5,401
Thanked 5,705 Times in 3,060 Posts
View NEPS.US's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by George Z View Post
Let's see how we can make the cheapest of the cheap work.
Lose some money and then make it up on volume.
Bingo! Welcome to Groupon.
NEPS.US is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 12:57 AM   #39
Member
 
LocalPaintPros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 73
Rewards Points: 75
Thanks: 19
Thanked 35 Times in 20 Posts
View LocalPaintPros's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by George Z View Post
What do you mean by Designers? At $40.00?
Professionals (we like that type) would not touch anything for a minimum of $300-$400.00 a consult.
Not allowed to use the term "Designer" here unless you have University Education and plenty of certification.
$40.00 you are using Penelope (your neighbours wife) that has nothing better to do.
See the trend here?
Let's see how we can make the cheapest of the cheap work.
Lose some money and then make it up on volume.
I can never remember which needs to be accredited to ues the title, "Designers" or "Decorators", but I'm neither. I just connect with a few who are in that business and are good at what they do, whether or not they have the letters after their name.

Markets will vary, but the going rate for a "professional" (let's define that as someone who knows what they are doing and has a good reputation) color consultations in my neck of the woods is about $80/hour. A "spendy" one runs $125/hour. If the going rate in your market is $300 -$400 per consult and people pay it, great. But why are you bagging on me with the "Let's see how we can make the cheapest of the cheap work" comment? If someone with the skills to do the job in my market where the going rate is $80 is willing to do 20 consults for $50 each, what's it to you? Remember, even though we'd be selling it 1/2 off for $40, I'd be subsidizing this out of advertising budget and paying whoever does it $50. And I'm not sure how "Lose some money and then make it up on volume" applies in this case. My whole point was to limit downside risk and *not* get caught holding the bag on 100 loss-leader one room jobs that only bring $40, that are a pain in the butt to deliver, and need an upsell to make sense. Now *that* is a "lose a little on every one but make it up on volume" strategy!

So, finding something that limits your downside risk and has upside potential is the whole point of my floating the color consult idea. When we started talking about doing this, several of the, uh, let's just call them "Consultants" that I know were willing to offer a discounted rate in return for a guaranteed number of appointments. They also saw the potential for follow-up work and sales of other things they are involved with (fabric, window treatments, etc).

Our downside risk is limited to the (in my example) $3K ($5K paid out offset by the $2K from "sale"). And that totally neglects the value of the advertising exposure Groupon creates. Even if they don't act on it, several thousand Groupon subscribers would see the add, so that exposure is worth something. More importantly, we don't take painters away from profitable work, we don't create a logistics nightmare, and we don't run the risk of bad press if people think we're cutting corners because we sold below cost.

But the upside potential is what makes this idea even worth considering. I assumed only 10% conversion and got an ROI of about 8X (which I consider mediocre). But what if the conversion rate is 25% (remember, the people that buy a consult are thinking of painting)? The ROI would then be about 21X -- pretty nice. Spend $3K to get $63K. What if the conversion rate is even higher? *That* is why we're thinking about experimenting with this.
__________________
I understand the painting business because I currently run a successful painting company that I have owned for 6 years. I enjoy contributing to forums with my perspective on technology, business, and painting. I am also involved with a business services venture (details at at
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.
LocalPaintPros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2011, 01:00 AM   #40
Member
 
LocalPaintPros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 73
Rewards Points: 75
Thanks: 19
Thanked 35 Times in 20 Posts
View LocalPaintPros's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Also, we just got something from Angie's List saying that they are starting their own "group coupon" type of system for their members. They're not as greedy as Groupon, though. If I remember right, I think they only keep 1/4 or maybe 1/3 of the selling price (they still recommend the asking price be a deep discount from "list").
__________________
I understand the painting business because I currently run a successful painting company that I have owned for 6 years. I enjoy contributing to forums with my perspective on technology, business, and painting. I am also involved with a business services venture (details at at
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.
LocalPaintPros is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
None

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Starting a Business? This may help PressurePros Business, Marketing, and Sales 54 07-17-2014 11:42 PM
Starting Out PaintWork General Painting Discussion 24 03-26-2011 11:42 PM
"groupon" ????? daArch Off Topic (Non Trade) 2 11-26-2009 11:58 PM
Just Starting aaron61 Photos of Project and Equipment 34 08-30-2009 07:20 PM
Starting Company spayer48 Business, Marketing, and Sales 1 09-30-2008 06:45 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Our Pro Sites Network
ContractorTalk.com | DrywallTalk.com | ElectricianTalk.com | HVACSite.com | PlumbingZone.com | RoofingTalk.com