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Old 05-12-2008, 01:49 PM   #1
 
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Smile gutter removal or not?

Ok.. am estimating on a job to do trim on two buildings... nothing complicated except just looked at the gutters.. they are screwed in and have adhesive/grey caulk on the seams... This will be labor intensive to remove, repair wood underneath, and re-attach. I will give an estimate removing gutter and on painting trim under gutter. It is well sealed between gutter and wood. And I will give estimate on painting without removing . The downspout I would remove. My question is: Is it customary to remove such gutter to paint or because of its permanence do I leave it. I feel hesitant to quote on this job because its 2 floors and of so many gutters. Thank you for your input.
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Old 05-12-2008, 01:51 PM   #2
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We only remove the gutters if they are going to be replaced. Downspouts always come off. you will never get those gutters back on correctly with out leaks
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just breathed a sigh of relief... will try to pursuade owners that they dont need to be removed...its a pretty new building and the paint under the gutters is in good condition...

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I assume this is modern k style gutter. Leave it on or you will be liable for future leaks. In the old days of gutter brackets and half round gutter we took them off it is no longer "customary in the trade"
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90% of the time we leave them on....but on a full restoration, or a house like I bid last week we said we would remove them... after signing a release of liability. We would not put them back on, but would offer a sub if needed.
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Smile thank you for responding

thanks to you all.. I feel better about my decision and am putting together a quote.. but wanted enough feedback to pursuade them that it is a pain in the butt.. and that its not done that often... I appreciate your response..
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We used to remove and replace the gutters, and we had months of call backs everytime it rained. It took us forever to get them sealed properly. Now we refer them to a gutter company. We will remove them in a replacement situation.

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I've had trouble with sags and drainage before to. Call backs.



Only remove downspouts and offer to paint gutters if owner wants to have them removed by gutter professional.
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Yeah..I am offering to clean them as it's just rain dirt stains.. washable..
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[quote=Brian;24516]We used to remove and replace the gutters, and we had months of call backs everytime it rained. It took us forever to get them sealed properly. Now we refer them to a gutter company. We will remove them in a replacement situation.

Exactly . . . A painter's time is much better spent painting than removing and replacing gutters.
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I have never removed gutters in my years of painting. We have removed down spouts. Recommending a gutter service is always the best when it comes to the need of gutter removal.

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If ya do remove and they're having another company install new, keep the gutters for scrap metal.......sh*t adds up if ya start a scrap pile in your shop.
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you are funny... made me laugh
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I send Tim all my old gutters
He's building a robot out of them
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Well, since I'm try to get to 250 posts, I'll add my 2 cents.

I agree with all the others. As a youngster I worked with carpenters who (amongst other skills) installed gutters (back in the days when gutters were wood). To get the right distance and height from the drip edge and the right slope takes a number of people with the right skills and knowledge. Not something for the amateur.

Downspouts are easy.

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We only remove the gutters if they are going to be replaced. Downspouts always come off. you will never get those gutters back on correctly with out leaks
yup, same with me. Sometimes I won't take off the downspouts either depending on their age. If the owner insists on having their 40 year old spouts left on the house I paint around them. If possible I insist on taking them off and replacing them as most times they are in a pretty bad state. You would be surprised at how many minds I have found in the gutters over the years....
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I've repaired my share of gutters, and it's a pain to remove the old ones--they usually have about 1/2" of sealant piled up on each seam, which has to be cut/scraped off in order to remove the sections (without damaging or scratching them of course). I did a simple replacement of a 5' section last week--2.5 hours to remove the old one, 20 minutes to cut and install the new one.
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I'd be worried about gutters caulked in like that, water that goes behind will be trapped.
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I see a lot of people remove downsposts, I never do, and always tell the client upfront I think it does more harm then good,the reason I think it does more harm then good is it is creates a weaker downspout when you put them back. imo And i feel the surface behind the downspout is very well protected anyway. I always explain this when doing the estimate, and tell them if they want me to remove the downspouts I will. So far only one client has asked us to remove the downspouts.

All you guys remove the downsputs to paint behind them?????
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Depends on whether the time is paid for. Downspouts are a breeze anyway.

Probably no harm in leaving them up. Taking them down is a sales point though.
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