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Old 12-30-2011, 12:31 AM   #21
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You won't get much coverage on that ceiling, somewhere between 60 to 85 ish sq ft a gallon maybe 90. Cover the floors, even if u end up using a Dryfall product!
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:18 AM   #22
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The rafters are steel. About two foot tall, with zig-zag members. I just imagine them wasting a lot of paint in overspray. Also, I know they have to add a fair amount of sq. footage beyond the flat ceiling. I was coming to the $45-55k range. It amazes me. I Haven't been in business for that long, but I am a top competitor in my area. I excel mostly because I do the bulk of every job myself and mostly just have helpers. I am young and can cover a lot of ground. That cuts down on wasted time, and everything comes out like I want it, with no compromises. It is hard to find any one who cares about the job as much as you do. Sometimes I can make an amazing amount of money and still do the job cheaper than others. I could make four or five grand a week, but if my bid is too low, it might not be taken as seriously. I just want to know that I am in the ballpark. My totals are:
21,433 total sq. ft. Interior wall space. One coat, three colors
13,090 total sq. ft. Flat ceiling surface area (not including rafters) two coats, one color
11,500 total sq. ft. Exterior wall space. Two coats, one color

Considering I have to paint ceiling and exterior twice, that leaves me with over seventy thousand square feet of paint to apply, minus a few bay doors. Plus washing/degreasing and a little scraping and caulking. And some kilz type product in two corners. Between the concrete and the extra waste on ceiling, I might average 250 sq. ft. coverage. Maybe better, maybe worse. That works out to about 300 gallons of paint. Tack that down when I meet with s.w. monday. I think $50k is a reasonable price, but want to make sure that others aren't coming in at seventy and above.
21333 @ .50 = $10,700 (Could get burned with color selection but you said one coat)

13090 @ 1.50 = $19,645 (I always wipe down the rafters)

11500 @ .80 = $9,200.00

Scissor Lifts = $1,900.00


Total Cost = $41,445.00


I would add around thirty cents more to ensure two coats on the wall so that way you don't get burned. That would put you around 47K. So you're right on the money. Some lunatic could do it for 40K if everything goes perfect.
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Thanks a lot : Naples, Julian, and King! Your information was useful, and I really appreciate the break down. Looks like my profit margin will be $20-25k, and I should make more with what I have set aside for labor and paint and incidentals. I worked at the dealership, it was my first job when I was 15. My sister works there, my stepdad is a manager and his father works there. I have a standing relationship with owner. I have also done work for other employees of the dealership, so if my bid is in the mix, I shouldn't have any problem landing it. Thanks again to the useful, thoughtful replies.
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On commercial work, there is a 'going rate'.. I can assure you it is substantially lower than high end residential rates you are used to... It seems production is key in commercial either your company's dynamics fit the bill for the going rates and you're still able to profit, or they dont. Unless you have a phenomenal relationship with the GC or owner, lowest bid wins in most cases. Some company's can produce and still profit in these conditions, others can't. That's my experience with commercial work around here anyhow.
Yea the going rate is the lowest number unless you and the GC have a great relationship.
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It is good to have connections and a good relationship with the clients! Sounds like you have both, good luck dude! Some very good advice in this thread too, thanks guys! The rafters, we always used a compressor (or theirs cause its better) an a wand . Blow down the crud and used dry fall.... Still be sure to cover the floor!!!!!
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Just bid 140k.
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Just bid 140k.
I'd be pretty stoked about submitting a six figure bid using information found on a painting forum.
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I'd be pretty stoked about submitting a six figure bid using information found on a painting forum.
I have a feeling it be either way high or way low.



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And the conclusion is........ somewhere between 40k and 140k.
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You should of said you had an "in" from the beginning. That changes everything, especially if your not gonna have "a problem landing it". Just ask them then what the lowest bid was and be right in line with that or slightly higher.
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You should of said you had an "in" from the beginning. That changes everything, especially if your not gonna have "a problem landing it". Just ask them then what the lowest bid was and be right in line with that or slightly higher.
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Well shucks, just do it on a T&M then
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hey guys!

what's going on in here?
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what's going on in here?
A 17k square foot room we are painting for 140k
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Why I said good relationship.
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