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Old 05-16-2009, 01:00 PM   #21
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No need to get defensive Jason, people are just trying to help. Sounds like this is a case of the best rescue being a self rescue. Good luck



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Old 05-16-2009, 01:05 PM   #22
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A job I took a look at not too long ago this happend. It was a bathroom though and the previous painter used flat paint. I am guessing moisture and flat paint aren't that great a combo. But hey what do I know, I give estimates to homeowners over the phone!
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This is interesting and I don't have the knowledge to know for sure:

  • Forms mostly in protected areas (such as under eaves and on porch ceilings) that do not receive the cleansing action of rain, dew and other moisture.
I would say this is mostly true in my situation... I am now thinking about each side of the house and may have to strike my answer to nEighter in an earlier post. But now that I think about it some more, the south side of the house (most weatherized), this issue is only near the eves. the East side is higer up and exposed well to more weather elements but the rain doesn't beat on it too hard and again this is only showing up near the eves. The West side where shrubs protect the house, this seems to be ALL over the place. The pictures you see that nEighter reposted from his PS are from the North side (least weatherized) of the house and that is only the upper half of the house as the lower half is garage with no siding and this issue is also ALL over the place, not just near the eves.
  • Use of dark-colored paints that have been formulated with calcium carbonate extender. Application of a dark-colored paint over a paint or primer containing calcium carbonate extender.

I have a partial bucket of dark green Duration Satin and there is no cce in the ingredients. I wonder if Flat paint would have it???

I know for a fact that this paint is not over primer, but I am not for sure that the previous paint application contains cce. The south side where we sanded and primed, there is no evidence of this Frosting in the area we prep'd.
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No need to get defensive Jason, people are just trying to help. Sounds like this is a case of the best rescue being a self rescue. Good luck

vp, this is drawing close to pessimism:

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Jason, you are having a bad run of luck on exteriors, I hope this turns around for you so you are not a full time warranty guy.
Your comment here is of no help... please refrain from the conversation if you can't add a suggestion to the solution. I am fully aware of my warranty and am learning in this process who will be responsible.

Again, your not being of help with these kind of comments. I do appreciate what you have put into the conversation otherwise.
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I know for a fact that this paint is not over primer, but I am not for sure that the previous paint application contains cce. The south side where we sanded and primed, there is no evidence of this Frosting in the area we prep'd.
perhaps this could be your answer, as the Duration is performing well over the primer you applied. Maybe the previous coating is high in cce?
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perhaps this could be your answer, as the Duration is performing well over the primer you applied. Maybe the previous coating is high in cce?
I have been drawing to this conclusion as we continue to look at possible causes.. Good call!

Lets keep digging into it and until then, I'll be waiting on SW to pull something out of their sleeve... LOL..
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I see things like this happen when HO's choose to select their contrator for economical reasons. Next time they should hire a pro.

I guess Angie's List took away a few stars?
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vp, this is drawing close to pessimism:



Your comment here is of no help... please refrain from the conversation if you can't add a suggestion to the solution. I am fully aware of my warranty and am learning in this process who will be responsible.

Again, your not being of help with these kind of comments. I do appreciate what you have put into the conversation otherwise.

Very true Jason, if you squeeze the potatoes you can hurt their peelings. Sometimes I forget who the potatoes are. My mistake.



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I see things like this happen when HO's choose to select their contrator for economical reasons. Next time they should hire a pro.

I guess Angie's List took away a few stars?



JASON! GOD HIMSELF HAS CAME AND ACTUALLY COMMENTED IN YOUR THREAD!!!!! :worship:




Oh please the great NEPS will you allow us to bask in your greatness???
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JASON! GOD HIMSELF HAS CAME AND ACTUALLY COMMENTED IN YOUR THREAD!!!!! :worship:




Oh please the great NEPS will you allow us to bask in your greatness???

I could see how anyone with work could be viewed as a God in your eyes.

Bask away little N8!


It is very important for the professionals in the painting industry to correct and to point out imposters as to protect the integrity of our trade. If you feel that this is "snobbery" (as Wise would put it) then snobbery it is. I would bet that there are many pisssed off contractors in Oregon that loose work to the likes of a a guy in a station wagon and trash trailer that is cutting prices and screwing up homes all over the state.
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I could see how anyone with work could be viewed as a God in your eyes.

Bask away little N8!


It is very important for the professionals in the painting industry to correct and to point out imposters as to protect the integrity of our trade. If you feel that this is "snobbery" (as Wise would put it) then snobbery it is. I would bet that there are many pisssed off contractors in Oregon that loose work to the likes of a a guy in a station wagon and trash trailer that is cutting prices and screwing up homes all over the state.
Sounds like my dad minus the part about Oregon and driving a station wagon!
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Sounds like my dad minus the part about Oregon and driving a station wagon!

PM me your contact info ...... I understand you might need a little work. I have a friend with a company on the MA/NH border that might have a big project in Rockport and another in Salem.
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It is very important for the professionals in the painting industry to correct and to point out imposters as to protect the integrity of our trade.
As soon as you find one, let me know, I have a few questions...
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As soon as you find one, let me know, I have a few questions...
I am very sure that you Wise, have more questions than anyone here but are too embarassed to ask. I bet if you put half as much energy info being a businessman as you do being a comedian you could have much success. Unfortuanetly for you that will never happen.
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I see things like this happen when HO's choose to select their contrator for economical reasons. Next time they should hire a pro.
I guess Angie's List took away a few stars?
Sound as if you don't have any good input, so you can go back to CT or the DIYer's site and criticize them. I believe the technical term is "Your Excused"

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The product is Duration Flat

Can any one here give some suggestions or have any idea what might have caused this?
I had a phase of 30# house do the same thing, primed and with elastomeric top coat. A number of factors were poor structure, Breathabilty of the top coat and primer failure. We had 3 different paint reps (from different paint manufactures.), pant manufactures VP's, Paint manufacture Chemist and a private Chemist. The biggest factor that was determined was the structure allowing moisture to get behind the coating and the top coat not allowing moisture to escape. Causing a "frosted look" (efflorescence for concrete surfaces), which a good prime should hold back.
Since darker colors will radiate heat causing the surface to sweat, the lighter color house were not as affected. Although they were because the rains that came and moisture would enter in through a defect in the building itself, trapping moisture behind the coating.
The cure, scrap sand and patch, apply a oil base primer (this will hold back the moisture. with 100% Acrylic top coat with a good perm rateing.


Is this what caused your issue IDK, every surface is it's own animal

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Yeah.... the NEPS/vp dual... Neither one ever have anything good to say... Oh wait... NEPS does once in a while on a rare occasion. But vp? Nahh.... too pessimitic. IMO, this forum does alot better without their input.

Thanks Ewing, i'm taking all angles of the issue into consideration.
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JASON! GOD HIMSELF HAS CAME AND ACTUALLY COMMENTED IN YOUR THREAD!!!!! :worship:




Oh please the great NEPS will you allow us to bask in your greatness???

Ha! yeah... he rides that horse pretty high doesn't he?
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I am not overly familiar with the technical side of Duration in particular, but many of these fast dry latexes actually cure pretty slow. Sometimes guys use them thinking they will be dry in two hours, which is true, but even in June or July you can have a temp drop between 4 pm and 8 am that will form a heavy dew on surfaces. Thats what this looks like. As others have said, the staining has too much vertical orientation to be anything other than moisture and it would be particularly noticable in this type of color. Another consideration is if you put any kind of extender in the product to make it more brushable, this could impact the finished look. I am leaning more toward the heavy dew theory.

Jason, you are having a bad run of luck on exteriors, I hope this turns around for you so you are not a full time warranty guy.
Jason

Here is my earlier post. Clearly you only chose to pay attention to the last line, which actually was sincere. I really hesitated before spending the time trying to help you. Good luck, if all else fails, I hear Tanner is looking for a painter.



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Jason

Here is my earlier post. Clearly you only chose to pay attention to the last line, which actually was sincere. I really hesitated before spending the time trying to help you. Good luck, if all else fails, I hear Tanner is looking for a painter.
Clearly you and your side-kick NEPS are jerks and we all know it. Tanner will call me if he needs one.

Your INFORMATION was good, but your snide remarks that follow disqualify you as any good professional. Couldn't just stick to the OP and the request I made... You and NEPS had to go off with making someone look bad so that you can look good to yourselves...
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You do a fine job of making yourself look bad without my help J.

I've tried to help you before but in past threads but you decide to turn every comment into a negative. I think it is called a inferiority complex.

It is interesting how the only group that is crying about VP and I being meanies (truthful) are the same guys who are here day after day posting about how they have no work and then make a post about how they have screwed up a job due to their lack of knowledge and inexperience. The very thought of you guys being the only voice heard on a forum like this is frightening. What is even more frightening is the thought of a home owner handing you a check trusting you with their biggest investment thinking you are a knowledgeable professional. You should take a apprenticeship with a real company and learn this trade.

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