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Old 01-01-2019, 11:00 PM   #21
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I too prefer to remove my shoestrings before a day of working on ladders and scaffolds. and how his coveralls only have the two colors of paint pictured..lol you can tell this guy grew up without a man in the house.
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:53 AM   #22
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I'm going to say that Benjamin Moore, SW and PPG have nothing to worry about. These are the Scions and Saturns of the paint world. You'll get a few "empowered" homeowners, and upper middle class millenials who think that they're leading blue collared lives by painting their own mcmansions. Then, in a year, that market will shrink and they'll pay us to go fix their paint job.
Completely agree, wait till someone runs short on a project, they will walk away wishing they had bought locally so they could finish.
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I love how they think that painting is easy... Claire's quote "They have also designed tools that are specially engineered to give top-notch results, "even if you’ve never held a paint roller before," explains Gibbons.

Well, aren't they in for a rude bloody shock - when they discover they have track marks from arsehole to breakfast.......?

Obviously they think that skill has nothing to do with providing quality results...?
Looks like the same **** tools you can buy at Dollar tree to me!
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These two "start ups" are buying their paint from one of the big guys possibly, or from one of the regional manufacturers. I've seen a few "boutique" paint brands over the years, and they always last about 5 years, then quietly fade away, especially when the complaints start rolling in........
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These two "start ups" are buying their paint from one of the big guys possibly, or from one of the regional manufacturers. I've seen a few "boutique" paint brands over the years, and they always last about 5 years, then quietly fade away, especially when the complaints start rolling in........
they usually have a cheap grade relabeled so they can cover some of their expense. That's why they get so many complaints. I know of one company in NJ or NY that gets Accolade relabeled and charges major $$$ for it. But at least it's a decent paint. Just 4-5 times what i charge(d) for it.
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Uh, make that Backdrop. My mistake.
Yikes. You could have edited that yet, you didn't. Interesting...
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'reinvent'? Cylinder cans are not perfect but they are vastly are superior to cuboid containers in every way. Billion dollar multinational corporations in every industry can't figure out how to ship in rectangular cans? Sheesh we learned that in highschool physics.

Regarding direct to consumer. Well not really because these guys are probably not manufacturing products themselves.

And how in god's name are they able to ship paint at a cost that is reasonable? All paint even waterbase is hazardous and must be shipped in special boxes with can clips. That is not just a CA thing, even Amazon isn't getting around that law.
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I can easily think of at least two dozen finishing products/finishing lines that began as consumer direct with no wholesale or retail distribution network other than mail order. Many of them that have evolved into the "gold standards" in finishes.
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I ordered my floor finish to be shipped, because I couldn't get it anywhere close.

Granted, it was old-school Dura-Seal, but my house was built in 1905, so it seemed a shame to use new-age product on 100+ floors.

It was packaged like nuclear waste and I'd guess the shipping was 40%+ of the cost, so I'd be real cautious of $40 paint shipped...it probably started as $15 to $20 paint.
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These two "start ups" are buying their paint from one of the big guys possibly, or from one of the regional manufacturers. I've seen a few "boutique" paint brands over the years, and they always last about 5 years, then quietly fade away, especially when the complaints start rolling in........
Devine anyone?

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And how in god's name are they able to ship paint at a cost that is reasonable? All paint even waterbase is hazardous and must be shipped in special boxes with can clips. That is not just a CA thing, even Amazon isn't getting around that law.
are they finally getting zinged for it? They've been getting away with some pretty BS shipping boxes i can tell you that much. Everyone has been asking me for 5 years why i don't ship paint because Amazon just throws the paint in a box and ships it. It takes some pretty specific boxes and packaging and as far as i've seen, none of the online paint retailers have been in compliance. I'd be very happy to hear that they are finally being forced to do it correctly.
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I ordered my floor finish to be shipped, because I couldn't get it anywhere close.

Granted, it was old-school Dura-Seal, but my house was built in 1905, so it seemed a shame to use new-age product on 100+ floors.

It was packaged like nuclear waste and I'd guess the shipping was 40%+ of the cost, so I'd be real cautious of $40 paint shipped...it probably started as $15 to $20 paint.
the shipping "kits" used to run around $12-15 for a gallon kit. I don't know what they are now. There are also special hazardous shipping rates that are pretty high. That is if the shipper actually tells the carrier what they are shipping! But you are absolutely correct. If paint gets shipped freight free than there is a pretty massive mark-up in the selling price. This is why the Kilz paint Amazon sells is $50 a gallon for the exact same paint they sell at Walmart for $20. They just give it a different name and slap a new label on it and it becomes a $50 can of paint. I think most professional painters are smart enough not to fall for this but i doubt there are many DIY'ers who are!
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Last time i saw Devine paint it was at Ollie's. That's a midwest clearance type retailer. It's where all the BS paint crap goes to rot. They have those brush savers that were on Sharktank a few years ago selling for pennies on the dollar. They sold off all the the old Valspar paint that Lowe's got rid of for $5-6 a gallon. Sometimes i find tools i can sell on sale there cheaper than i can buy them from a distributor. They also have a bunch of Old Masters finishes there for a couple bucks a quart. The local Old Masters distributor can't figure out why i won't sell it.
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And how in god's name are they able to ship paint at a cost that is reasonable? All paint even waterbase is hazardous and must be shipped in special boxes with can clips. That is not just a CA thing, even Amazon isn't getting around that law.
You mean like the General Finishes PU I purchased on Amazon? Found this on my front porch, no shipping clips, 3 qts completely empty, WB PU ruining my stone patio, steps, and walkway.
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You mean like the General Finishes PU I purchased on Amazon? Found this on my front porch, no shipping clips, 3 qts completely empty, WB PU ruining my stone patio, steps, and walkway.
The funny thing about this is that once it gets put in a disposal bag like this it isn't supposed to be delivered. They literally just stuck you with a hazardous waste clean-up. When the EPA cracks down on them for doing crap like this, it isn't going to be pretty. You can ask Sherwin Williams about how much fun it is ($$$$$$$) to deal with the EPA when they are on the warpath! The only thing saving their a55 is that it is quarts!
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As for the picture of the guy painting, as has been mentioned, doing any kind of work wearing shoes with no laces only screams clueless DIyer (or model). Also, exactly what IS he painting? From what I can see his body is positioned to paint the window - not the wall.

I have used mail ordered paint twice in my career. Once for a young couple (both busy doctors) who ordered a kit in which the paint, window treatments, and bedspread were all color coordinated. It was for a little girl’s room and the paint was from Rhoda. They were planning to do it themselves (but got cold feet) and already had all of it when I bid the job and there was plenty of product so everything went fine. The second was where I needed a speciality paint to do a cement shower and I ordered a pool paint for the job (not many pools up here).

I see this entire endeavor geared to appeal to milenials who are enamored with using their electronic devices to navigate through their lives. The entire marketing plan is filled with buzz words and images designed to appeal to those with short attention spans wanting to get a project done in a simple and fast manner instead of “right”. They may try this once but likely will never do it again after they realize there isn’t an app available for their smart phones which will actually apply the paint for them once they get it.
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What we don’t get to see (as a result of a wise and tasteful marketing decision) are next two pictures that were taken just after the one of the guy “painting”.

The first is of him losing his left shoe and balance and then kicking his ladder out from beneath him which causes him to pitch forwards and go through the wall of windows.

The second is taken from the broken windows of his trendy urban loft unit looking down at the street below. There you can see his broken body lying on top of a Korean BBQ food truck with his blood slowly mixing with his teeth, brain matter, and color #NCB37 Pumpkin Sipce Chai Latte, matte finish. No shoes are visible in the picture.

And what the hell is a Parker Warby?
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I purchased this interesting piece circa 1890’s for $15 to add to my collection.

Ingersoll Paints was a direct to consumer brand that didn’t withstand the test of time.

I obtained the following from the Ingersoll Paint Book circa 1921, also in my collection:

“The Ingersoll Way Of Doing Business: Over the heads of middlemen, from factory to consumer. Direct dealing saves you all these middlemen’s expenses and profits.”

Thought the piece was pretty cool with the wood stopper and wood enclosure.

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