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Old 10-11-2007, 11:15 AM   #1
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My first post. I am doing a house out on an island. People are old and set in there ways about oil being better than latex. Does this stuff really dry the paint faster? Any tips to make the drying time better during cool Fall months in New Hampshire would be great. By the way I am using Cabot solid oil decking stain on the decks and Cabot solid oil ovt on the house. Thanks.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:58 PM   #2
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Does this stuff really dry the paint faster? Any tips to make the drying time better during cool Fall months in New Hampshire would be great
Yes it makes paint dry faster. My only tip really is to still work fast with it, don't get too comfortable even though it increases work time, or you may just have to get out the sander later on. BTW, don't use too much or the paint can crack or become discolored. Oh, and since people still swear using oil is better (which it's not, it's worse for mildew/moisture issues), the HO should be responsible for all the thinner waste produced . I don't use any oil topcoats anymore, only oil primer for woods that bleed, etc...

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Welcome to the forum.
Rich pretty much said it all. When i still used oil, i liked to use japan drier.
Having them be responsible for the thinner waste is a good idea as well.
Watch out for the wind, it will dry your paint much quicker than the drier will.
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Only thing I would add is unless the deck already has a solid finish try and talk them into a penetrating oil. Also, you can reuse your thinner. Just use a 5 gallon bucket or larger and let the thing sit for a week. The thinner and paint separate and you can poor off and reuse. I keep 2.5 gallon jugs full of dirty separated thinner, gallon jugs of new thinner, and always have thinner separating in fives. The separated thinner is quite clean and I use it for all cleaning and use the clean thinner for a light final rinse. Older exterior brushes clean up fine with the reused thinner. Due to evaporation and kicking out your brushes I haven't had to discard any thinner in 5 years.
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I know guys who paint with oil here in N. MI all winter. The running joke is that it will dry in the summer. Yikes! Construction co. with in house painters
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We tell people we like Painter Friendly products, and avoid alkyds.
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People are old and set in there ways about oil being better than latex
Lee...I remember the the time (2 years ago) when I "converted" a HO over from oil to acrylic latex. Newer house, tons of mildew issues each year. Talked to 3 paint reps from various companies, including BM and have never used oil (topcoat) since!

It's not that the HO is set in there ways, it's that you are not informing them otherwise with enough ammo to make them change on the spot.
I bet if you act completely insulted when an HO mentions oil topcoats and whip out some literature on the comparison between oil and acrylic, they will get it.
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Client dispose of thinner? Ha! Ha!
That is REALLY funny !!!

Most our clients just want it DONE!

They don't even want to SMELL paint.

We're getting more calls for low voc environmental green product,
and it is increasing quite a bit.

I've met them, walking through the house, next morning,
with a grin on their face because they were SO happy
they couldn't hardly SMELL fresh paint... really!

And we've also had them freak out when we opened a can of lacquer thinner to do some of our cleanup...
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But...admittedly not so much anymore
Many customers don't want it
It's been so de-VOC-a-lated, and w/b has been so improved, it's not that much better than good waterborne enamel these days
But still...it is a little better...more durable, lasts longer

I disagree with the mold/mildew and moisture issues
I've never found it too be mold food or anything
Usually mold problems are not caused by, nor can they be fixed by, a coating (though some are more m/m resistant than others)
Though it's not the best choice for everywhere, and there are situations I wouldn't use it (some of them being moisture issues)

Never had a need for it to dry faster though
Dang, it's tough enough to get out of it without dragging that brush over it one too many times and messing it up
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I will agree on you with one thing for sure Johnny...they aren't making the oil like they used to...
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...and it used to cost just a nickel
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...and it used to cost just a nickel
lol everthing seemed to of cost a nickle at some point.
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Only thing I would add is unless the deck already has a solid finish try and talk them into a penetrating oil.
Great advise!

Does anyone have experience with Japan Dry lessening the longevity of the sealer or paint?
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I used some on the doors that I did this past week needed them to dry faster... use a cap full to each gallon... started at 8 finished by 11 dried by 3 i live by that stuff
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