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Old 07-08-2010, 04:08 AM   #61
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You cannot leave everything covered up.You must police the area at the end of each day and clean up.What are you going to do if some kid comes along to play in your lead paint & plastic when your guys are finished for the day??? Clean up every day!!!
Triple question marks and triple exclamation marks.

I guess that's what they call a "triple double"

I am not disagreeing with your logic regarding potential hazard for kids. But I have yet to do an RRP job, and we are avoiding them for the time being.

Is that removing the plastic every day in the regulations?

Because I thought that was the purpose of notification and the signs etc.

I assumed once you got everything tented off, or dropped off it would stay until that side of the house was completed.

Two scenarios: tenting off completely with vertical containment, and the supposed "just lay out plastic 10 feet or as far as is necessary to catch the lead or, whichever is greater" (whichever is greater).

First the tenting. Surely you don't mean in this scenario. Surely people are not supposed to set up scaffolding, and drop down vertical containment, and plastic off everything inside the containment area, then BREAK that all down at the end of day.

God, PLEASE tell me this is not what is expected in the regulations. That would be completely absurd. I thought the ENTIRE PURPOSE notification and hang up the signs etc. is to keep people OUT of there?

Second scenario:

Just laying plastic out all over the nice flat featureless Kansas prairie land that we are all blessed with like the image in the RRP manual shows.

I don't doubt this would be a hazard if left in place, I actually had not thought about that. My jobsites are always clean at the end of the day. But I guess I assumed with RRP work, that once all that time was invested in plasticing off the bushes, tress, decks, grass etc, that it would need to stay until that side of the house was prepped. Because otherwise that would mean using NEW plastic each day. Also it would mean disturbing the plastic multiple times which I thought would be more of a hazard.

Is that correct? I mean just "cleaning" the plastic and using it again the next day would deposit debris and dust everywhere the next time it was used by RRP standards?

I mean by RRP standards, and expectations, I don't mean to say that I personally think to re-use plastic in a way that left minimal debris everywhere would be a problem.

Did you mean re-use the plastic? Or use new plastic each day?

Either way that would mean disturbing all that plastic multiple times which is a lot of opportunity for it to get in the air.

I could understand plastic just layed out like a drop on flat grass. You just go around vacuum up all the material, maybe even give it a damp wipe of some kind, then carefully fold up plastic corner to corner, keeping track which side is "up", then carefully lay it out again the next day.

But when there are trees, and bushes, and stair cases, and decks and stuff that is quite a procedure to be doing and undoing everyday. Even cleaning all of those different size and shape objects with plastic wrapped around them and wrinkles and stuff would be difficult to get everything. Especially if it starts sprinkling or raining while you are prepping. Then the dust would be stuck to the plastic.

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And I just thought another thing. Lets say you plastic off flat grass. And you are scraping and working on the side of a house catching the chips and debris...

Then at the end of the day, you vacuum up all the plastic then fold it up. What about the side of the house?

That is going to had debris and dust all over it. Does it need to be rinsed down each day? And if so, does one need to set up the water recapture system each day to catch the rinse water?

I would be interested if anyone has addressed or knows the answer to some of the points I have made in this post.

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Old 07-08-2010, 06:54 AM   #62
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Triple question marks and triple exclamation marks.

I guess that's what they call a "triple double"

I am not disagreeing with your logic regarding potential hazard for kids. But I have yet to do an RRP job, and we are avoiding them for the time being.

Is that removing the plastic every day in the regulations? no

Because I thought that was the purpose of notification and the signs etc.

I assumed once you got everything tented off, or dropped off it would stay until that side of the house was completed.

Two scenarios: tenting off completely with vertical containment, and the supposed "just lay out plastic 10 feet or as far as is necessary to catch the lead or, whichever is greater" (whichever is greater).

First the tenting. Surely you don't mean in this scenario. Surely people are not supposed to set up scaffolding, and drop down vertical containment, and plastic off everything inside the containment area, then BREAK that all down at the end of day.

God, PLEASE tell me this is not what is expected in the regulations. That would be completely absurd. I thought the ENTIRE PURPOSE notification and hang up the signs etc. is to keep people OUT of there? Yes that is the reason,every job will have different cicumstances,but if no one is there to make sure no one gets in I personally would not take the chance.

Second scenario:

Just laying plastic out all over the nice flat featureless Kansas prairie land that we are all blessed with like the image in the RRP manual shows.

I don't doubt this would be a hazard if left in place, I actually had not thought about that. My jobsites are always clean at the end of the day. But I guess I assumed with RRP work, that once all that time was invested in plasticing off the bushes, tress, decks, grass etc, that it would need to stay until that side of the house was prepped. Because otherwise that would mean using NEW plastic each day. Also it would mean disturbing the plastic multiple times which I thought would be more of a hazard.

Is that correct? I mean just "cleaning" the plastic and using it again the next day would deposit debris and dust everywhere the next time it was used by RRP standards?Every job is different,I personally would clean plastic fold it in on itself(dirty side to dirty side).Then re-use. You mist it to keep down dust.

I mean by RRP standards, and expectations, I don't mean to say that I personally think to re-use plastic in a way that left minimal debris everywhere would be a problem.

Did you mean re-use the plastic? Or use new plastic each day? See answer above

Either way that would mean disturbing all that plastic multiple times which is a lot of opportunity for it to get in the air.

I could understand plastic just layed out like a drop on flat grass. You just go around vacuum up all the material, maybe even give it a damp wipe of some kind, then carefully fold up plastic corner to corner, keeping track which side is "up", then carefully lay it out again the next day.

But when there are trees, and bushes, and stair cases, and decks and stuff that is quite a procedure to be doing and undoing everyday. Even cleaning all of those different size and shape objects with plastic wrapped around them and wrinkles and stuff would be difficult to get everything. Especially if it starts sprinkling or raining while you are prepping. Then the dust would be stuck to the plastic.

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And I just thought another thing. Lets say you plastic off flat grass. And you are scraping and working on the side of a house catching the chips and debris...

Then at the end of the day, you vacuum up all the plastic then fold it up. What about the side of the house? Don't give them any more ideas!

That is going to had debris and dust all over it. Does it need to be rinsed down each day? And if so, does one need to set up the water recapture system each day to catch the rinse water?

I would be interested if anyone has addressed or knows the answer to some of the points I have made in this post.
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Lol. That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that.

I probably am giving them more ideas. That's not good. But there are just so many open ended variables that don't make sense. Those types of unanswered questions are why we are avoiding the work for now.

It's a brand new, wide open field, which I consider to be have way to much room for interpretation at this point. With the inspectors looking for problems, the homeowners looking for problems, and nosy neighbors looking for problems. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if every neighborhood has at least one busy body with the EPA on speed-dial, and every time they walk or drive past a house where work is being done, they are eagle-eyeing it, looking for evil toxic polluters of paint chips.

My personal feeling is after a year or two, most of the question marks and variables will have come up and been addressed, and hopefully the regulations will be clarified to address this, and it will be easier to approach doing RRP jobs without fear of the unknown. ( and fear of one or more 37,500 fines!

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