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Old 02-14-2015, 09:16 AM   #21
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Default Level 5 drywall primer?

Will TuffHide fill pocks? If so it might be good stuff to keep on hand.

Edit: I just saw that the only application method is spraying. Could the stuff possibly be rolled and sanded?


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Will TuffHide fill pocks? If so it might be good stuff to keep on hand.

Edit: I just saw that the only application method is spraying. Could the stuff possibly be rolled and sanded?


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It can be rolled. Read a little farther on the TDS.

"Note: May be roller applied for use as a high-solids, primer paint coat. Use a high-quality roller, with 1/4"- 3/8" nap roller cover on smooth surfaces. Apply to a wet film thickness (WFT) of 5-10 mils."

It would be an interesting challenge to apply at 10 mil with a 1/4" nap roller
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You can roll tuff-hide but it defeats the purpose. Here in the NY met area depending on the finish I use either tuff-hide sprayed only to achieve the proper film thickness or we skim coat the walls & ceilings with USG Gold labeled compound and prime with FPE Swedish brushing putty & then we sand like madmen lol. See finished product below using tuff hide to begin my level 5 finish
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You can roll tuff-hide but it defeats the purpose. Here in the NY met area depending on the finish I use either tuff-hide sprayed only to achieve the proper film thickness or we skim coat the walls & ceilings with USG Gold labeled compound and prime with FPE Swedish brushing putty & then we sand like madmen lol. See finished product below using tuff hide to begin my level 5 finish
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Nice work!

I guess it could defeat THE purpose but things can be used for other purposes as well. Like a problem area where you are not necessarily trying to achieve a level 5 but where it might be faster to roll and sand this stuff out than do a skim coat. I mentioned pocks but that doesn't begin to cover some of the stuff I've seen in newer homes lately.


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USG also offers "first coat" it is the brush & roller brother to tuff-hide for areas like your speaking of. It is also less money.
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USG also offers "first coat" it is the brush & roller brother to tuff-hide for areas like your speaking of. It is also less money.

Found at big box stores I presume?



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Lol I wouldn't be surprised if it is, but any independent dealer who knows anything about what you guys do for a living should carry it. I get it from my BM dealer, honestly I only shop the big boxes for my personal garden supplies...
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I hear ya…I get anything I can at my BM dealer first. I just haven't seen First Coat on the primer shelf. Gardz isn't either but they have it in the back.
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In the South West Hamilton Prep Coat Plus is what I have used on Large Commercial. Level 4 to achieve a level 5.
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acrylitex smooth wall primer is our go to. Super easy to sand and cheep cheap. Level 5 drywall primer?-imageuploadedbypainttalk.com1423943074.764004.jpg
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SW high build primer may work for you i have also used that as well.
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[QUOTE=Jmayspaint;659561]It can be rolled. Read a little farther on the TDS.

"Note: May be roller applied for use as a high-solids, primer paint coat. Use a high-quality roller, with 1/4"- 3/8" nap roller cover on smooth surfaces. Apply to a wet film thickness (WFT) of 5-10 mils."

It would be an interesting challenge to apply at 10 mil with a 1/4" nap roller[/QUOT

Not possible, the product consistency is extremely thick, I tried it, it leaves a whole lot of sharp pointy stipple, that was a little over 5 mil thick.

Over the course of the last 10 years I've sprayed around 40 homes ranging in size from 3500 sf to 40,000 sf with Tuffhide. The recommended wet film thickness is 15 to 20 mil if you apply at 20 mil you will get a slight orange peel look regardless of what tip size you use. I learned if you spray at 15 mil it will be a smooth finish and that's the optimal application in my opinion.

I did the finish painting in just over a third of those houses and in my opinion there is no better system for application of finish coatings for drywall in NC than Tuffhide and 2 coats of whatever paint you prefer to apply on top of the USG Tuffhide. The majority of those jobs the ceilings were left unpainted with the Tuffhide as the finished product (dead flat). When crown molding was installed we prepped (caulk and fill nail holes) and spray our semi-gloss, we water down the Tuffhide to the consistency of paint and cut in and roll around the perimeter to cover our overspray from spraying the crown.

Comparing a NC drywall prime with Tuffhide to a spray and backroll prime is night and day. Carpenters when trimming out on a Tuffhide job can't find studs from locating the spotted screw heads because they can't find them, as opposed to a spray and back roll where they are easy to see.

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Gardz. Especially over a level 5 because it really soaks in the skim coat.
Agree! Plus it makes the soft joint compounds hard like plaster and is more resistant to dings.
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Agree! Plus it makes the soft joint compounds hard like plaster and is more resistant to dings.

So it makes the mud hard? Hard like a bone?
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Anyone had experience with SW Builder's Solution Surfacer? Curious to hear some feedback on that.

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Guys over there said it's their equivalent to the tuff hide.
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And as far as the gold label. From usg website: "Northwest availability only."
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SW gave me a couple fivers to try, it is they're version of (TH) high build primer. I didn't think it leveled out as nice as the USG Tuffhide.
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SW gave me a couple fivers to try, it is they're version of (TH) high build primer. I didn't think it leveled out as nice as the USG Tuffhide.
I had my suspicions about it, figured that was that probably the case.

Did you have to sand it at all and how did that work out?

I figure price wise it's probably a little cheaper, so just curious to hear feedback on it.
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Tuffhide sands ok if you get a high spot, I sand it before topcoating as I do any other wall without Tuffhide just to clean off any rough areas. The SW I don't remember, we sprayed that on the garage walls. It was priced a bit lower than USG.
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