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Old 05-29-2015, 04:25 PM   #1
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A question I get often. In Indianapolis were we have everything from sub zero temps and ice storms to 90 degrees and 100% humidity, I tell people one to three years. They usually kinda freak but that is real a fair estimate. I do very few decks. I kinda hate them. What and how do you tell your clients about the life of their deck stain?
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Same as you. If they have large dogs and heavy traffic, it could be less.
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Three years tops. Any paint company that claims more years out of their product is full of it. And they won't pay on any warranty claims anyway. I'm sure there are probably painting contractors that are just quoting what those paint companies say though, because they aren't liable for the product longevity either. Any reputable paint store will back you up on this.
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I tell people to seal it every other year. No one does that though.

With all the reformulations though, I am about to say no to decks period.

I just looked at a deck we did with the Benjamin Moore semi-transparent hardwood stain. We did the whole deck in 2009, horizontals only in 2012, and it is up this year for a coat on everything. It is looking really good right now. But, the Benjamin Moore product is discontinued, TWP does not have a similar color to the teak color we used.

Cabot Australian Timber Oil has a teak and a mahogany that we should be able to used to get a similar color if needed between the two, but I have no experience with that product.

ArborCoat 623 is the recommended product from BM, but I just do not trust that product on decks yet. Does anyone here?
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I tell people to seal it every other year. No one does that though.

With all the reformulations though, I am about to say no to decks period.

I just looked at a deck we did with the Benjamin Moore semi-transparent hardwood stain. We did the whole deck in 2009, horizontals only in 2012, and it is up this year for a coat on everything. It is looking really good right now. But, the Benjamin Moore product is discontinued, TWP does not have a similar color to the teak color we used.

Cabot Australian Timber Oil has a teak and a mahogany that we should be able to used to get a similar color if needed between the two, but I have no experience with that product.

ArborCoat 623 is the recommended product from BM, but I just do not trust that product on decks yet. Does anyone here?
I did that a couple years ago, it's just not worth the hassle to me.
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+1 on buh bye to decks. Not worth the hassle and you can't charge enough. I still do some old customers but even them I am telling this will be the last round. I have a $2000 deck minimum and the rate of incidence on decks (where we have to go back to address an issue of dead plants, stripped capping, etc) is 10x that of anything else I do.
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I have been doing a few failed and small restore and deckover jobs. Comes off real easy then I topcoat with solid body flood. For semi the only thing I use and can get is penetrating oil. 2 years tops but it looks great and is easy to remove and re apply Just no such thing as a maintenance free deck. Don't even get me started on the Trexx.
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I still do decks just really selective about the ones we do. I have one scheduled tomorrow that I cleaned last week. 800 sq of pressure treated with no rails and eight pieces of teak furniture for $1200. Not a bad Saturday for me working alone.

This is year three of this dock revive torture test pretty much sitting on the ground. We mixed with duration satin. 0 paint failure, only places that fell victim to the weed eater. It was completely clean when it was applied, I stripped and neutralized it prior.

Its filthy in this pic but cleaned up nice with a light sh wash.

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1-4 years depending on maintenance, traffic, UV exposure, and pets.
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I still do decks just really selective about the ones we do. I have one scheduled tomorrow that I cleaned last week. 800 sq of pressure treated with no rails and eight pieces of teak furniture for $1200. Not a bad Saturday for me working alone.

This is year three of this dock revive torture test pretty much sitting on the ground. We mixed with duration satin. 0 paint failure, only places that fell victim to the weed eater. It was completely clean when it was applied, I stripped and neutralized it prior.

Its filthy in this pic but cleaned up nice with a light sh wash.

Does this deck get covered in snow and stay wet from sometime in November/December until some time in March or April each year?
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I've been on a deck rampage the last year, trying to see what my new pressure washer can do when coupled with the right chems. PowerSolve DSI, (downstream stripper injectable), is pretty amazing stuff. Most of the decks I do are return customers though. It's just not possible to charge enough, often times, to make it worth the potential headaches.

Stripping a waxy or acrylic stain is a lot like stripping wallpaper...ya never really know how easy/hard it's gonna be til you dig in to it.
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With the Aussie climate I won't touch decks no way

Our climate smashes them


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Is it common for other painters in your neck of the woods to apply deck finishes, or are most decks left bare?

What types of lumber/composites are typically used there in your part of Australia?
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+1 on buh bye to decks. Not worth the hassle and you can't charge enough. I still do some old customers but even them I am telling this will be the last round. I have a $2000 deck minimum and the rate of incidence on decks (where we have to go back to address an issue of dead plants, stripped capping, etc) is 10x that of anything else I do.
I would say that deck staining customers themselves are the biggest victims of the blow and go mentality. But so many paint retailers are marketing their products to this market that everyone that does decks correctly is going to have a hard time getting deck jobs if they bid them so they can make a dime on them. It is the major part of the paint industry were the instant gratification school of thought is and has caused some major problems. I have a hard time selling deck stains because my products are of a much higher quality and therefore much higher priced than the box store stains, and I always tell my customers the truth about things like surface prep and finish maintenance. Usually they don't want any part of it or they flat out don't believe me because of what they are hearing from hack deck finishers and hack sale people. They act like I am the one trying to rip them off, and I'm sure some of you get the same reaction when you give your bids.

I say, let the deck stain fail. 3-4 times if people are that stupid. Let them pay out the nose to get a new deck built every 10 years. I'm not going to change my approach or pricing to compete with the TRUE rip off retailers.
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You mean you don't use the fantastic Cabots Australian Timber oil products? I thought that was all you used down under. I thought they lasted for ever and ever.lol
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I would think the best deck material for Australia would be similar to what they used in the high desert of California. Dirt. Once a year it rained and it cleaned up real nice.
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Does this deck get covered in snow and stay wet from sometime in November/December until some time in March or April each year?
We don't get but a few inches of snow a year. It is in a pretty wet location though.
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The decks that are on the north face of a house. That have a huge tree(s) overhead. Canopies so thick that never a ray of sunlight reaches the surface, but all the wet blossoms and leaves do as they drop.

Do they make a good deep base solid stain for these clients, available in algae green or mildew black?
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