A little input on my bid? - Page 2 - Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum
CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY, IT'S FREE!
Go Back   Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum > Painting Forum > General Painting Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-03-2010, 10:18 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
vermontpainter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 14,407
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 3,091
Thanked 5,929 Times in 3,434 Posts
View vermontpainter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VanDamme View Post
Good points! I've been informed that my input will be requested as the jobs gets closer.
It strikes a chord with me because I have been down that road numerous times (sheen road) on high end nc and usually if you investigate, in the interest of clarification, you get an opportunity to explain options, make suggestions, and in most cases, you can offer a solution that is much easier to execute, and therefore more cost effective. Unless they are just dead set on it and truly understand what high gloss and automotive mean to the paint process. Especially a paint process being done in job site conditions. Its going to be a very expensive job as specified right now.



__________________
Scott


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vermontpainter is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to vermontpainter For This Useful Post:
aaron61 (05-04-2010)

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. PaintTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 05-03-2010, 10:18 PM   #22
Born To Be Mild
 
bikerboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: MD
Posts: 4,956
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 2,450
Thanked 1,704 Times in 1,000 Posts
View bikerboy's Photo Album My Photos
Default

One problem I see is that there is no "uniform standard for sheen" in the paint industry. One mfg's gloss is equal in sheen to anothers satin. You need to get a standard that is acceptable, or do some samples to get them to sign off on.
__________________
People who say they want a government program because “I don’t want to be a burden to my children” apparently think it is all right to be a burden to other people’s children. Thomas Sowell
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bikerboy is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to bikerboy For This Useful Post:
aaron61 (05-04-2010), Capt-sheetrock (05-11-2010), nEighter (05-04-2010)
Old 05-03-2010, 10:24 PM   #23
RIP 2017
 
VanDamme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,306
Rewards Points: 500
Thanks: 411
Thanked 568 Times in 388 Posts
View VanDamme's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerboy View Post
One problem I see is that there is no "uniform standard for sheen" in the paint industry. One mfg's gloss is equal in sheen to anothers satin. You need to get a standard that is acceptable, or do some samples to get them to sign off on.
Good point! As of now, BM is specified.
VanDamme is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 05-04-2010, 02:56 AM   #24
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 34
Rewards Points: 25
Thanks: 3
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
View SDpaint's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VanDamme View Post
Why is that a red flag? These are not final drawings or specs. They are preliminary for budget numbers.

The one coat primer and two coats finish was for the walls. The woodwork will be in the 4 to 6 coat range.



6 coats might be getting a little excessive. Think about the dry time in between coats when using oil. Ive done a few jobs that sound similar to this, Ive used a 3 coat system with great success. first coat use an oil base primer bm fresh start will work fine. second coat is the split coat, 50% primer 50% enamel, (the same enamel you will be using in your finish coat). Allow the split coat to cure for 2-3 days 3 is best. Now spray your finish, if you spray it correctly you will have no need for adittional coats, I have pleased the nearly unpleasable perfectionists using this method.
SDpaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2010, 10:35 AM   #25
Paint Store Owner
 
NCPaint1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 5,550
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 1,374
Thanked 2,995 Times in 1,802 Posts
View NCPaint1's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Build a couple mini mock setups. Maybe a half sheet of drywall, with base and crown. Come up with some products for the sample and apply them. Then they ( and you ) have a representation of what the final product will look like.

From the sounds of it, you probably wont touch a brush or roller on the job ( which could potentially be a whole new set of issues )


Getting the desired finish on the trim, probably wont be the issue....the difficulty is in the walls. I would try a few different things.

1) High-build primer followed by Product P22 Urethane Alkyd Gloss Enamel.

2) 2 coats of stain blocking primer ( thinner and smoother drying ) followed by P22

3) ** thinking outa the box here** Maybe sanding sealer? Double or triple coated, sanded between coats...followed by P22

Best bet is to make samples, take your time on them, and figure out the right system.
__________________
Benjamin Moore, PPG, Sikkens, TWP, Wood Defender, Airless Sales and Service


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
NCPaint1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2010, 10:44 AM   #26
house painter
 
johnthepainter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,333
Rewards Points: 506
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
View johnthepainter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

it will be IMPOSSIBLE to obtain an automotive finish in an environment other than a spray booth with proper ventilation, air uptake/supply, and an absolutely dust free environment.

its damn near impossible to obtain a fine furniture finish in conditions less than that.

you could do a great paint job, but using the term automotive finish means>>>automotive finish. there is no grey area imo.

i painted a car in my garage, bagged it off wetted down the floor, nice fan, great conditions for painting a car.

would i call it an automotive finish???? no way.
johnthepainter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2010, 02:26 PM   #27
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 42
Rewards Points: 25
Thanks: 13
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
View charleymcdowell's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I did a job about 7 years ago that is similar to this. The owner was kind of silly but he had the money so he could afford to humor himself. We ended up painting the entire kitchen set in six stage automotive paint. we went to our local auto paint store and got some advice from them and then sprayed it all with an hvlp. I remember sanding upers and lowers with 1600 grit wet sand papper. It was rediculous and it took us about three weeks to finish the kitchen. At the end of it all it look like someone parked a big chevy truck in his kitchen. Ohhh what people pay us to do. God Bless'em
charleymcdowell is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to charleymcdowell For This Useful Post:
ACPINTER (05-13-2010)
Old 05-10-2010, 05:43 PM   #28
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2
Rewards Points: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
View William's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VanDamme View Post
Bidding plans for a 1,000,000+ remodel/addition. I will be doing the job, but I need to give a general budget # for now.

This is a unique job in the fact that all wall and ceiling finishes call for high-gloss paint, and the woodwork, base, cabinetry, etc. calls for, and I quote "Smooth, super high-gloss "auto style" finish"

Here's my questions: I've sprayed woodwork with a conventional, airless and HVLP. I've never been around or seen an AAA (Air Assisted Airless) in action. Does this sound like a good application for one?

The materials are specified. as Benjamin Moore, but no specific products are called out. I have a call in to the contractor with some questions with one of them being will all walls and ceilings be oil base paint or latex. I have a feeling everything will be oil.

I've used BM in the past, but they are not my daily paint store so I'm not real familiar with what they offer for high-gloss oil finishes. Any suggestions? I'm specifying 1 coat primer and 2 coats finish for walls and ceilings.
You may be done with the job by now? in Any case I have been behind a gun for 30 years. AAA is nice, it is very nice, but like everything else, each project has its own requirement(s) almost always dictated by the enviroment you can do the job in (ventilation). AAA is a hybrid of a highhorse power airless, and a balls out application using a conventional/HVLP.

There will be NO feather to the trigger on a AAA. It's still a go-no-go at the trigger like an airless, just a bit more passive (therefore user friendly) than an airless.

If you have panels on saw horses and things like that... You'll love it. Then again, highgloss, hanging the panels in the verticle as opposed to saw horses is always a cleaner route.
William is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2010, 08:03 AM   #29
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 50
Rewards Points: 27
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
View slapiton's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I would say you are about to enter into an impossible task due to so many variables. Put both hands into your back pockets and squeeze tightly because you are going to lose your butt on this one, good luck.
slapiton is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
None

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
PPG product input DeanV General Painting Discussion 9 01-23-2016 12:28 PM
Looking for some input formula5 Technology (websites, computers, etc..) 1 01-15-2010 08:18 PM
Your input please.. colorfulpast Business, Marketing, and Sales 19 07-04-2009 03:13 PM
Any input on these daArch General Painting Discussion 1 03-31-2009 11:51 PM
Looking for input PrecisionPainting New Member Introductions 6 02-05-2009 06:43 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Our Pro Sites Network
ContractorTalk.com | DrywallTalk.com | ElectricianTalk.com | HVACSite.com | PlumbingZone.com | RoofingTalk.com