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Old 03-03-2010, 08:29 PM   #21
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You can get away with crud all over your clothes and smelling like blue cheese if you're working on a construction site. However, there's no way a homeowner's going to find anything impressive about an ass scratching brush donkey who thinks he looks like a HARD worker. I don't care how good of a painter he thinks he is. It's a new era, and image is everything.
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If it was your dad's company to start with then your SOL until you decide to break the umbilical cord. I wouldnt even want him working on a job looking like that never mind presenting himself as the elder half of the company on estimates. Either have a heart to heart, leave his stank ass at home or do your own thing.
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You can get away with crud all over your clothes and smelling like blue cheese if you're working on a construction site. However, there's no way a homeowner's going to find anything impressive about an ass scratching brush donkey who thinks he looks like a HARD worker. I don't care how good of a painter he thinks he is. It's a new era, and image is everything.
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Personal hygen is very inportant and one should have been tought this at a very young age. But, some just dont care or forgot how to take care of them selfs.

There is way more to it then just personal hygen.
Had my wifes cousen working for me, he chewed and would spit on sidwalks drivways and would leave spit bottles layen around. I pulled him aside and rold him it had to stop, he acted like i was a prude or something, i told him bottom line, dont care what you do at your house or when your not working for me, but not on the job site. 2 days later he quit, but i havent had any complaints!

it all comes down to self repect and respect of others, not to mention compeny image, and father or not this is your income and livlyhood.
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I feel for ya man, especially it being your pops & all. The fact is you only get one first impression & image is everything when meeting a potential client. Either he has to clean it up or adios. This is your livelihood! Ive had HO.s ask me to change a guy out on an interior because he smelled like cigarettes. BO & ratty clothes absolutely wont fly. Family is family but this is business. Good luck bro.

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Ive had HO.s ask me to change a guy out an interior because he smelled like cigarettes. BO & ratty clothes absolutely wont fly.
I hate the smell of cigarettes, smokers think we can't smell it but man you sure can tell a smoker by the stink that follows him around. No offense meant to any of you smokers. Just sayin
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I hate the smell of cigarettes, smokers think we can't smell it but man you sure can tell a smoker by the stink that follows him around. No offense meant to any of you smokers. Just sayin
I've been in the process of quitting since last August. Still bum a smoke from one of the guys every now and then and chew the gum like a fiend!

Part of the reason for me wanting to quit is the smell. I always make sure to be clean if I'm in my whites, but If I have a smoke or two on my way to an estimate I've often wondered if its just as bad.

You only have one chance to make a first impression.......
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Personal hygen is very inportant and one should have been tought this at a very young age. But, some just dont care or forgot how to take care of them selfs.

There is way more to it then just personal hygen.
Had my wifes cousen working for me, he chewed and would spit on sidwalks drivways and would leave spit bottles layen around. I pulled him aside and rold him it had to stop, he acted like i was a prude or something, i told him bottom line, dont care what you do at your house or when your not working for me, but not on the job site. 2 days later he quit, but i havent had any complaints!

it all comes down to self repect and respect of others, not to mention compeny image, and father or not this is your income and livlyhood.
( and speeling...) They have checkers, ya know...
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I've been in the process of quitting since last August. Still bum a smoke from one of the guys every now and then and chew the gum like a fiend!

Part of the reason for me wanting to quit is the smell. I always make sure to be clean if I'm in my whites, but If I have a smoke or two on my way to an estimate I've often wondered if its just as bad.

You only have one chance to make a first impression.......
You will be glad when you do. Cutting dramatically back is still great for your health though . I quit in January of 06 things smell better, myself included, I feel a lot better, I save a decent amount of money because both the wife and myself quit.

These days people are pretty judgemental towards smokers so I imagine it could affect your meetings occasionally.
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I used to work with my pops. He was always presentable, and didn't stink. But man could he stink up a place! That is a different thread though.
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I used to work with my pops. He was always presentable, and didn't stink. But man could he stink up a place! That is a different thread though.
If you wanted to explain in detail Arch started the thread https://www.painttalk.com/f14/wasabi-peas-7204/
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Ha! I had a dude working for me that chewed. Everyone has their vise but that shit is nasty on a site! I don't care what happens off site but spitting tar is hard to take. (no offense to all u chewers) I have my own problem of going thru massive bags of sunflower seeds (exteriors) which is nasty to alot of people too. My guys call me a big bird constantly. I just get stressed so it's either that or start yanking on site! Ive opted for the seeds.
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I was just talking to a painter (2nd generation, does a lot of work), was in my khaki's and logo shirt at the paint store. Was telling him how i wear the thin coveralls while painting, so i can take them off and look good for estimates. He laughed and said he likes to get dirty and have paint all over him for estimates, so they know he works,lol! I've said it once I'll say it again the majority of painters i've met in real life aren't nearly as on top of the changing paint game as you guys are, it's almost like they think it's cool to reinforce the stereotypes of the past.
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I don't smoke (no offense to those who do), but it does reek. It really can smell up someones house just from the stink coming off of a heavy smoker. IMO it is more than frowned upon by some homeowners, but the homeowners who do smoke seem to love the guys who smoke and hang out with them on breaks, fire up a butt and buddy up. I was talking to a customer having a remodel done and he was talking about how great all the workers have been on the job and how "only the drywaller smoked". He emphasized this and seemed to be most proud of the lack of smoking over the quality of the job??
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If image and first impressions are as important as some people in this post claim, why not where a suit and tie? Most of my customers where them most of the time.

As for dad and his stench/presentation is concerned, do you not ask the customer why you never got the job? I do and if anybody says because of old stinky that was with you I would be saying "SEE DAD WE LOST ANOTHER ONE. THAT'S 14 THIS WEEK AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT"

Otherwise don't sweat it out. You are the one representing your company. You can't have all your employees(family or not) dress in shirt and ties with $200 cologne.

I can understand your point but unless you are going out of business because of Dad, just give dad a break.

I'd still work on him though. Something that needs to be addressed outside of business.
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Image may not be everything, but it's where you start, we have to assume people know nothing about us before we get there.
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Also for you guy's that smoke, you need to be aired out really good before you enter a home. Most people that don't smoke can smell you a mile away.
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Here's a solution. Don't work with family. I'll leave it at that
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When I first started (31 yrs ago) my mentor , old union dude, told me to wear civies to the job and change. Then change back at the end of the day.
I have done this for years ( less lately..) but I think it made an impression.
Kind of like "citizen painter" rather than "Citizen soldier."
Actually with the RRP rules, this makes even more sense- and respects the client, my own truck and family ( not dragging dust around)
I do interior work so this might be easier than you ladder jockeys! lol.
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