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Old 01-31-2012, 08:17 PM   #161
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Yup, just used to drinking american beer like Rouge Dead Guy, OPA OPA Milk Stout, anything from either Shipyard or Smuttynose, Harpoon IPA, and sooooo many other hand crafted gems. But true when in a pinch I will settle for one of those run of the mill brews from Sam Adams.

Please, don't insult my beer snobbery.
Who you kiddin', Bill? One oxy and a couple of beers and you'd be on here extolling the virtues of Schlitz and Old Milwaukee.
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:32 PM   #162
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Hey now.. schlitz is a 6'er for $treefiddy..
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Who you kiddin', Bill? One oxy and a couple of beers and you'd be on here extolling the virtues of Schlitz and Old Milwaukee.
hmmmmm, may have to try that.

Do they still brew Schlitz? That was my beer of choice when I was underage and my father bought for us. He figured we should learn how to drink before we learned how to drive.

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hmmmmm, may have to try that.

Do they still brew Schlitz? That was my beer of choice when I was underage and my father bought for us. He figured we should learn how to drink before we learned how to drive.

Who was I to argue?
Now that is old school.
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Insanity. Can you think of any other industry or business that does this? If you think you need to do this then maybe you don't have as good a handle on estimating/bidding as you think you do.
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Insanity. Can you think of any other industry or business that does this? If you think you need to do this then maybe you don't have as good a handle on estimating/bidding as you think you do.
Sendit6,

Methinks you may not have read the thread carefully enough to understand that this is not something done everyday, or even every other month.

And yes, I can think of other businesses/industries that IF they come in under budget it is reflected in the final invoice. My auto mechanic for one. I use him because he's NOT a dealership with manufacturers' unrealistically set pricing.


I am beginning to wonder why the concept of giving a flexible ESTIMATE and charging less than the max is getting so many so upset. Why are some people getting so adamant at how other people run their business? Why do others CARE if some of us sometimes do NOT encounter the worse case scenario and are capable of only charging what it costs? Why is that INSANE to you?

Sorry, I'm just wondering why so many are getting so defensive.

I thought we had gotten past all this and were now kicking back with a beer.



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Insanity. Can you think of any other industry or business that does this? If you think you need to do this then maybe you don't have as good a handle on estimating/bidding as you think you do.
i can think of a couple business's that do it. more a tactic than it is failure on your part to bid correctly.
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Insanity. Can you think of any other industry or business that does this? If you think you need to do this then maybe you don't have as good a handle on estimating/bidding as you think you do.
Thanks for your feedback.

I think "insane" may be a little strong but I won't delve any further into my mental status at this time. Maybe a subject for another thread some day.

My landscape maintenance guy, my veterinarian, our house cleaning service, even my lawyer have done it for us in the past year or two.

I can't speak for others but for me it's maybe something I do once a year, if even that - and believe me, it's not a huge reduction. It's also not something I feel I "need" to do, and after 40+ years in the business, I feel I have a pretty good grasp on my estimating process. My accountant agrees.
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and after 40+ years in the business, I feel I have a pretty good grasp on my estimating process. My accountant agrees.
but can YOU estimate from your office only using Google's walk-by ?


Wait 'til you have a few more years under your belt (NO NOT BEERS) and maybe then you'll have something to write home about - yah brash young whipper snapper



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but can YOU estimate from your office only using Google's walk-by ?


Wait 'til you have a few more years under your belt (NO NOT BEERS) and maybe then you'll have something to write home about - yah brash young whipper snapper
LOL - Haven't mastered that yet. But once Google starts showing us satellite shots of the inside of houses...

Yeah, I could probably still learn a few lessons from my elders. Any tips?
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Sendit6,

Methinks you may not have read the thread carefully enough to understand that this is not something done everyday, or even every other month.

And yes, I can think of other businesses/industries that IF they come in under budget it is reflected in the final invoice. My auto mechanic for one. I use him because he's NOT a dealership with manufacturers' unrealistically set pricing.


I am beginning to wonder why the concept of giving a flexible ESTIMATE and charging less than the max is getting so many so upset. Why are some people getting so adamant at how other people run their business? Why do others CARE if some of us sometimes do NOT encounter the worse case scenario and are capable of only charging what it costs? Why is that INSANE to you?

Sorry, I'm just wondering why so many are getting so defensive.

I thought we had gotten past all this and were now kicking back with a beer.
No I read it correctly. What gets my shorts twisted about it is this: if you go over on time or materials, do you ask for money? Prob not good practice. I guess the main thing about it is that certainly in these times, when we're all tightly bidding, and getting grossly underbid at times, every dolllar counts. If you came out a few hundred ahead of what you planned to make, good for you.

If you do top notch work, that should seal the deal for another call from that customer.

I personally have never had anyone lower the final bill for anything.

I hear you though, you want to do it every now and then. Go ahead, throw a few hundred back for me. But you can solicit good karma other ways too. Donate it to a women's shelter or food bank. Or me.

Simply don't agree with it. I guess we'll agree to disagree.
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Go ahead, throw a few hundred back for me.
NEVER have "thrown" that much back. As I suspected, something got lost in the translation

And you are right. I would feel MUCH more reticent about charging more if I under bid. That's why I do not underbid.



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I wish. I gave up my beloved Laphroaig. Going on 3 months. For no other reason than self-preservation.
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I wish. I gave up my beloved Laphroaig. Going on 3 months. For no other reason than self-preservation.
DAMMMIT, it's 1 am and you've just tempted me to enjoy a snifter of Cask Strength.

well at least you enjoy(ed) good single malt

I'll have one in YOUR honor



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I wish. I gave up my beloved Laphroaig. Going on 3 months. For no other reason than self-preservation.
That's a pretty good reason - congratulations.
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I wish. I gave up my beloved Laphroaig. Going on 3 months. For no other reason than self-preservation.

Thats a great way a putting it
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