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Old 01-18-2015, 01:21 PM   #1
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We have a customer wanting us to match a label printer toner color.

I have never tried this. Can they be matched exactly? I asked the customer to pick a color close from a fan deck. I was wondering why I had never heard of the color code and same with 10 paint stores. No one had heard of a color code starting out with PMS. The company that makes the toner is called Pantone. I called them and they couldn't help me at all.

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We have a customer wanting us to match a label printer toner color.

I have never tried this. Can they be matched exactly? I asked the customer to pick a color close from a fan deck. I was wondering why I had never heard of the color code and same with 10 paint stores. No one had heard of a color code starting out with PMS. The company that makes the toner is called Pantone. I called them and they couldn't help me at all.

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Some of the majors have matches for Pantone colors at their technical help centers (800 numbers). We've gotten help from both PPG and BM in the past. They also have had matches for metal siding/roofing colors and vinyl colors from the major companies.
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Thanks Gough. I will give that a shot tomorrow. Usually I would call a rep but with the weekend here and job not staring for another 10 days I figured try the stores first.

Plus not having an actual color swatch to go by only what I can see online, it wont help much if I tried to color match it myself.
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Pms.... First red flag
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Pantone colors are difficult for computer matching - they reflect weird. And as Gough says, some companies have Pantone formulas on file. I thought California did, but I may be mistaken.

Best to eye match in the lighting which is most prevalent in the room.

AND some of their colors simply have pigments not available for tinting paints - mostly in the red/maroon family.



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Pantone colors are difficult for computer matching - they reflect weird. And as Gough says, some companies have Pantone formulas on file. I thought California did, but I may be mistaken.

Best to eye match in the lighting which is most prevalent in the room.

AND some of their colors simply have pigments not available for tinting paints - mostly in the red/maroon family.
I have no clue where to get their color charts. 3 BM stores around here said they can not computer match it. I will have to see if Cali can match it.
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Dave, FPE is an official partner with Pantone. I believe they can match 95% of there colours which accurately, just some crazy yellows and reds that no one can.

Trying to match ink with paint isn't as easy as you would think.

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CD, there might be some helpful information here.

http://www.trishasdesignstudio.com/w...olor_chart.asp
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That was fun. Thanks Gough!
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CD, there might be some helpful information here.

http://www.trishasdesignstudio.com/w...olor_chart.asp
Awesome. Thanks Gough.

I can't find any thing close, atleast in the brands they list I know I can go buy around here. This color code is PMS375. It's a Lime Green type color. If I had a sample chip in front of me it sure would make life easier. Maybe I will check FPE and go from there. If I have to buy FPE paint I need to adjust my estimate to reflect the higher material cost.
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I agree that FPE will probably be able to match it. Is this wall paint?

Edit also myperfectcolor.com is showing it.

http://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/col...75#prettyPhoto

Also http://brandguide.novozymes.com/Menu...s+for+painting
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It's for sound deadening wall panels. These are a recycled paper product.
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I agree that FPE will probably be able to match it. Is this wall paint?

Edit also myperfectcolor.com is showing it.

http://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/col...75#prettyPhoto

Also http://brandguide.novozymes.com/Menu...s+for+painting
Ok no who makes this paint in the first link?

NCS S 0580-G30Y? Looking it up isn't helping me. lol.
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They sell ben moore paint from that site, it comes up in a lot of painting related searches. I would make a call tomorrow and see.
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They sell ben moore paint from that site, it comes up in a lot of painting related searches. I would make a call tomorrow and see.
I'm seeing it as well but the BM colors are not really close. I'm thinking it's like a BM Sour Apple type of color. Bright Green.
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cdpainting!
Go to a graphic design or an art store they do sell chart colors for Pantone, some places have a small one for about $40 buy one and let the store match the color for you.
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not really meaning to bash anyone, but if you contacted that many paint stores, and no one new what the Pantone system was, or even what a PMS numbered color was, you really need to explore other paint store options. I've been dealing with the Pantone system for over 25 years. Neat trick- ask the stores for a RLM or Munsell color some time and watch them scramble. If they've done much work matching colors for retail stores or fast food, they would have run into this quite often.
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And I forgot to add that you should be able to pick up a Pantone deck at a good art supply or at a printing supply.
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And while i'm not trying to bash any body, there is the issue that every major paint manufacturer that I know of has a color lab that stores can call and get a formula for PMS numbers. SW,PPG,P&L,Cali,Duron,BM, they all do. I know because at some point I've done it with all of them. Maybe the stores you were calling hadn't been over that in their training sessions. Maybe the college boys at SW with their MBA's And marketing degrees missed that at school.LOL
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