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Old 07-09-2010, 07:00 PM   #1
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Had a bunch of unpainted interior piping to paint today. Asked the Miller folks what to use and they said Acrimetals great, water based, easy on the head yadda yadda.

Spray out the conduit and pipe and a number of the joints blossomed with rust. There was no visible rust when I started. Called Miller and pointed out the can says "will cover tight rust bloom." They said, "Yeah, basically that means no rust." Huh, I thought the whole point of using a dtm paint was to fight the oxidation issues. I was told to remedy the problem by spot priming with a stain blocking primer. No $hit; I could have just shot some bin and bin done with it. Ridiculous I tell you.
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Old 07-09-2010, 07:13 PM   #2
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The technical data sheet for Acrimetal, http://millerpaintmsds.getservd.net/...eet/ps5077.htm, indicates that flash rust may occur on the first coat, and that a second coat apparently remedies the discoloration.

It's probaly because of the rust converting pigments that are in the paint.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:25 PM   #3
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There ya go! That's Miller Paint for you... I quit using them years ago.

johnpaint will chime in, just watch... He lives in their store. I think there is an office with a cot in back just for him.
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Never heard of Miller paint. It must be a regional thing.

What color did you use? Most DTM's will block out rust, so I am surprised.
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Jason, just because you didn't get my discount on SW duration don't hate. As far as Millers DTM it means what it says, Direct to Metal not Direct to Rust.
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we all know I think that once rust start it continues right if moisture is present.
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Hahahahahahaha well said john. Still, most spot rust DTM's should cover. Large scaling rust........not so much. He said it was on the joints, im wondering if something else is causing the bleed.
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I have used DTM many times, it dries faster than normal latex paint, and encapsulates whatever your painting, so if you get most of the rust you should be fine.
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NC paint, what is that God awful stink in most DTM's? It like stinks for days.
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NC paint, what is that God awful stink in most DTM's? It like stinks for days.
Yeah, and it can give you a pretty fierce headache too.

Some of these new acrylics mess up your nervous system just as much as oil base paints.

I still prefer acrylic for a lot of reason, but still good to wear your respirators.
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I know NC is working on an answer for this.
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Jason, just because you didn't get my discount on SW duration don't hate.
John you took offense to a joke...

Your price is no different than mine on Duration. That's from my rep and your rep....

For those who don't know Miller Paint:
Miller is a NW product. And not one too highly acclaimed unless your getting thier low price. After all, that's the only way they can sell it.
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I bet ya anything they have a great product line as well as a production product line. Just as SW has!
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I bet ya anything they have a great product line as well as a production product line. Just as SW has!
No they don't. That's why their prices are lower than SW's. They cannot compete against the quality SW put out. It really is only a NW product with limited ability to step up to the plate on superior products.
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Wing as you know every paint company has their good and bad, to say there all bad is best kept to yourself because most people know better.Most people know if you use the best of any paint brand you will get a good product.
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Taking about old, I have had to do most of the hard work of late and my knees are sore bad. I'm feeling better though with hard reg hard work. I think its keep you young, at least thats what I hear.
You are suppose to have your son do all that stuff.
You wear knee pads?
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May take a minute.
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You are suppose to have your son do all that stuff.
You wear knee pads?

May take a minute.
no, I just talking about climbing ladders all day, and roof work. I don't like doing that anymore but it does make me feel better if I can get over the soreness.
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I bet ya anything they have a great product line as well as a production product line. Just as SW has!
They do. I've been using Miller for 26 years. If Jason is going to put them down, he should at least know what he's talking about.
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Had a bunch of unpainted interior piping to paint today. Asked the Miller folks what to use and they said Acrimetals great, water based, easy on the head yadda yadda.

Spray out the conduit and pipe and a number of the joints blossomed with rust. There was no visible rust when I started. Called Miller and pointed out the can says "will cover tight rust bloom." They said, "Yeah, basically that means no rust." Huh, I thought the whole point of using a dtm paint was to fight the oxidation issues. I was told to remedy the problem by spot priming with a stain blocking primer. No $hit; I could have just shot some bin and bin done with it. Ridiculous I tell you.
I don't think Acrimetal's quite where it should be. I have used it and the first coat did show a little rust on the sprinkler pipe joints, but after drying, a second coat took care of it. Still, it would be nice if it was a one coat solution.
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For those who don't know Miller Paint:
Miller is a NW product. And not one too highly acclaimed unless your getting thier low price. After all, that's the only way they can sell it.
Jason.....You know that's BS.
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