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Old 06-22-2011, 08:45 PM   #1
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we stain and clear coat a lot of doors here and have used Minwax spar oil base for years. The stain seems to fade under the clear coat the sun is brutle here. I need to find a better spar what do you guys use?
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Old 06-22-2011, 08:49 PM   #2
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A little advice buddy. The "search" button kinda sucks but it's better than getting slack for asking a question that was already asked two threads below yours. https://www.painttalk.com/f2/better-o...windows-14210/
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Pretty much covered there. I'm a big Sikkens fan. Door & Window would be my recommendation. Seems to do the best around here.
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I'm just not too forum savy but I will figure it out
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Do you get Mccloskeys Spar Varnish there?It's the best Varnish I know of
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Pretty much covered there. I'm a big Sikkens fan. Door & Window would be my recommendation. Seems to do the best around here.
I can't stand Sikkens Door and window. Drys too dang slow!

One morning I sampled it... I put 1 coat on stained alder and let it sit all day long, guess what it was still wet and gooey. Next morning I checked it again, soft now not wet. I could scrape it off with my nail soft... like wax! Basically after 3 days it was starting to harden. Then the can says 3 coats???

I guess if I could find someone who wants to pay a fist load of money to use this stuff, then I would probably start to like it!
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It is a softer coating, it doesn't dry rock hard like a floor poly. Dependable on temp and humidity for drying, that is a drawback for sure though. As far as getting people to pay for it, @ $25/qt or so they better be or don't use it.
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I can't stand Sikkens Door and window. Drys too dang slow!

One morning I sampled it... I put 1 coat on stained alder and let it sit all day long, guess what it was still wet and gooey. Next morning I checked it again, soft now not wet. I could scrape it off with my nail soft... like wax! Basically after 3 days it was starting to harden. Then the can says 3 coats???

I guess if I could find someone who wants to pay a fist load of money to use this stuff, then I would probably start to like it!
You need to know the product.Read up on it and understand that it is not a wiping stain or a spar varnish.
We offer 2 systems for doors.The quick & cheap is minwax strip,stain & 2 coats clear in 1 day.The other is Sikkens Door & Window.Takes 3 trips
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It is a softer coating, it doesn't dry rock hard like a floor poly. Dependable on temp and humidity for drying, that is a drawback for sure though. As far as getting people to pay for it, @ $25/qt or so they better be or don't use it.
would it be compatible with a drying agent/accelerator?
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would it be compatible with a drying agent/accelerator?
Good question that I don't know the answer to lol. I know that most of their products they don't like anything added to them. Off the record you might get an "ok" to add something, but I honestly have no idea.
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Why would you want to?
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Minwax Spar Varnish is just Polyurethane with UV inhibitor which is highly subject to UV damage. I wont be surprise if you start to see hair line crack in less than 3 weeks.

I looked at Sikken spec sheet, its an alkyd varnish with UV inhibitor. Which is an excellent varnish for those who want only clear finish for exterior with no color to the wood. it's less amber tone than Epifanes .

Epifanes varnish is the boat industry standard.
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...+Clear+Varnish
Problem with Epifanes varnish is that its made from Phenolic resin which contains more ratio of oil ( tung oil, ) which makes it dark amber color. Like the color of co-cola.

It does not matter which varnish you use because they need to be maintained every 3-4 years.
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I have had excellent results with these products.
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Minwax Spar Varnish is just Polyurethane with UV inhibitor which is highly subject to UV damage. I wont be surprise if you start to see hair line crack in less than 3 weeks.

I looked at Sikken spec sheet, its an alkyd varnish with UV inhibitor. Which is an excellent varnish for those who want only clear finish for exterior with no color to the wood. it's less amber tone than Epifanes .

Epifanes varnish is the boat industry standard.
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...+Clear+Varnish
Problem with Epifanes varnish is that its made from Phenolic resin which contains more ratio of oil ( tung oil, ) which makes it dark amber color. Like the color of co-cola.

It does not matter which varnish you use because they need to be maintained every 3-4 years.

Sikkens makes a Marine grade finish as well. It does have an amber tone. The Door & Window product is also available in 4 colors. You can do multiple coats of color, like Aaron did to reach a desired depth. Or a single/double coat of color followed by clear. You can also intermix the colors, or stack coats of different colors. Its by far my favorite Sikkens product, and the only exterior clear that I stock in my stores. Ever since I started using this product, not much else has impressed me.
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Sikkens makes a Marine grade finish as well. It does have an amber tone. The Door & Window product is also available in 4 colors. You can do multiple coats of color, like Aaron did to reach a desired depth. Or a single/double coat of color followed by clear. You can also intermix the colors, or stack coats of different colors. Its by far my favorite Sikkens product, and the only exterior clear that I stock in my stores. Ever since I started using this product, not much else has impressed me.
What exactly is their 4 colors? Is it toners like Minwax polyshade? Except it nots polyurethane.

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What exactly is their 4 colors? Is it toners like Minwax polyshade? Except it nots polyurethane.
006 Light oak, 078 Natural, 045 Mahogany, 009 Dark Oak, all colors in a Satin Finish. They also have clear Satin and High Gloss.
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You need to know the product.Read up on it and understand that it is not a wiping stain or a spar varnish.
We offer 2 systems for doors.The quick & cheap is minwax strip,stain & 2 coats clear in 1 day.The other is Sikkens Door & Window.Takes 3 trips Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m1J-CoNgm4
When did I ever state that I don't know the product?
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