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Old 06-11-2018, 09:01 PM   #1
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I just finished priming a set of interior doors with BIN shellac primer, reason for bin was adhesion problems and peeling. Specifically the problem was latex over oil on 6 panel doors. BIN has top notch adhesion properties, the same cannot be said for BM Fresh STart 217. Maybe this was the wrong application for fresh start? It wouldn’t set up, not even in 72hrs.. never would get hard and sandable like I thought were it’s most notable characteristics. Doors Primed with BIN look perfect, can’t tell a problem ever existed! What product would give me a super hard finish that will look great? I have access to SW, BM, and ppg. I was thinking perhaps emerald urethane, or multi surface acrylic.. oil is an option too so let me know what you would go with.. thanks everyone in advance!
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If you can get ahold of a paint called "Ilva" (WB) and use it with their cross linker or hardener it is the best I've found.


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I just finished priming a set of interior doors with BIN shellac primer, reason for bin was adhesion problems and peeling. Specifically the problem was latex over oil on 6 panel doors. BIN has top notch adhesion properties, the same cannot be said for BM Fresh STart 217. Maybe this was the wrong application for fresh start? It wouldnít set up, not even in 72hrs.. never would get hard and sandable like I thought were itís most notable characteristics. Doors Primed with BIN look perfect, canít tell a problem ever existed! What product would give me a super hard finish that will look great? I have access to SW, BM, and ppg. I was thinking perhaps emerald urethane, or multi surface acrylic.. oil is an option too so let me know what you would go with.. thanks everyone in advance!
I will pay attention to what others will say here, but my 2 cents is for California's Muralo Paint acquisition that is now:

ULTRA AQUABORNE CERAMIC INTERIOR INTERIOR PAINT

https://www.californiapaints.com/pro...product-sheen=

I have also heard from PACman that California's Ultraplate is also very good:

https://www.californiapaints.com/pro...-enamel-satin/

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BM Scuff-X Semi-Gloss would be a great choose thatís also user friendly. Or if you wanna want a really hard waterborne you can use SW HydroPlus.


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I'm really digging that scuff x....
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BM Scuff-X Semi-Gloss would be a great choose thatís also user friendly. Or if you wanna want a really hard waterborne you can use SW HydroPlus.


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I will pay attention to what others will say here, but my 2 cents is for California's Muralo Paint acquisition that is now:

ULTRA AQUABORNE CERAMIC INTERIOR INTERIOR PAINT

https://www.californiapaints.com/pro...product-sheen=

I have also heard from PACman that California's Ultraplate is also very good:

https://www.californiapaints.com/pro...-enamel-satin/

PACman will be around shortly.

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I don’t have access to these paints.. need recommendations from sw, BM, and ppg
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I just finished priming a set of interior doors with BIN shellac primer, reason for bin was adhesion problems and peeling. Specifically the problem was latex over oil on 6 panel doors. BIN has top notch adhesion properties, the same cannot be said for BM Fresh STart 217. Maybe this was the wrong application for fresh start? It wouldnít set up, not even in 72hrs.. never would get hard and sandable like I thought were itís most notable characteristics. Doors Primed with BIN look perfect, canít tell a problem ever existed! What product would give me a super hard finish that will look great? I have access to SW, BM, and ppg. I was thinking perhaps emerald urethane, or multi surface acrylic.. oil is an option too so let me know what you would go with.. thanks everyone in advance!

what mil were you applying at?


advance, scuffx, cabinetcoat, impervo, regal, aura.
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I donít have access to these paints.. need recommendations from sw, BM, and ppg
Here is the California Paints store locater:

https://www.californiapaints.com/find-a-store/

THere are 3 in NC.

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pro industrial precatalyzed water-based epoxy

Great strength and pretty good at scuff resistance.


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I think you are on the right track. Emerald urethane is good choice. Also from SW is their Pro Industrial Waterbourne urethane alkyd. It is similar to emerald urethane but is harder (5H). Either of these level and cover well however may take several weeks to cure. MSA is a good choice it is hard and cures much more rapidly. Either of these three will be fine over BIN. Spray, brush, or roll they should look fine and be durable.
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Someone else mentioned it.. I just had a buddy recommmend the pre cat epoxy for durable finish
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I think you are on the right track. Emerald urethane is good choice. Also from SW is their Pro Industrial Waterbourne urethane alkyd. It is similar to emerald urethane but is harder (5H). Either of these level and cover well however may take several weeks to cure. MSA is a good choice it is hard and cures much more rapidly. Either of these three will be fine over BIN. Spray, brush, or roll they should look fine and be durable.
don't think so.....at least not using my certified pencil hardness test pencils. Barely a 4h after a thirty day cure.
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You can never go wrong with good ol oil paint
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Use the best of the best, use Benjamin Moore alkyd satin Impervo. Second choice would be Benjamin Moore P24 Super Spec semi-gloss alkyd enamel. Apply with a Purdy ox-hair brush. Everything else is second best.
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I think you are on the right track. Emerald urethane is good choice. Also from SW is their Pro Industrial Waterbourne urethane alkyd. It is similar to emerald urethane but is harder (5H). Either of these level and cover well however may take several weeks to cure. MSA is a good choice it is hard and cures much more rapidly. Either of these three will be fine over BIN. Spray, brush, or roll they should look fine and be durable.
don't think so.....at least not using my certified pencil hardness test pencils. Barely a 4h after a thirty day cure.
. @PACman - my certified Case XX says SW PI waterbourne urethane alkyd enamel is pretty damn hard. The current PDS says its (5H). My side by side tests indicate that its a bit harder than Emerald Trim.
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Like the response, never can go wrong with ol good oil double time at least. Shiny, sticky, durable, washable.
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. @PACman - my certified Case XX says SW PI waterbourne urethane alkyd enamel is pretty damn hard. The current PDS says its (5H). My side by side tests indicate that its a bit harder than Emerald Trim.
Iíve used both the alkyd and the waterbornes from SW. Both take wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to long to cure never mind dry. Killer finish the gloss Emerald waterbornes urethane but in deep base which most exterior doors are takes way to long to dry.

The whole point for a good hard door Paint is quick turn around so HO can have there entrances back. Oil is out of the question unless they donít need there door in use for awhile.
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Emerald Urethane is SW's attempted knock-off of BM Advance--their reps internal flier says that to be the case. Any time SW knocks off a product, it seems to perform close (never exceeds) with the expectation that the reps sell you on it. My personal favorites from BM are Satin Impervo and Advance.
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