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Old 07-18-2009, 11:07 PM   #1
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On new smooth cedar lap siding what primer do you use? Oil or water base?
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On new smooth cedar lap siding what primer do you use? Oil or water base?
Not a whole lot of cedar lap in these parts but I use oil primer for that kind of work.
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Yeah: That's what I have used in the passed, I'm thinking about going with water base this time, just wondered about what you all thought/
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Everything is moving towards water based, with them phasing out oil they will have to deliver a equal product.
I have always been worried to use a water based on cedar and redwood and such because I never wanted to risk the failure.
They are doing good things with the WB products these days though.
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Everything is moving towards water based, with them phasing out oil they will have to deliver a equal product.
I have always been worried to use a water based on cedar and redwood and such because I never wanted to risk the failure.
They are doing good things with the WB products these days though.
Yes they are, that all I use. Hate oil base now. it is as good or better.
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Its a good idea to clean the wood first even if it is new construction. Since it will be covered by paint, you can use an acidic cleaner (brightener). This will help control your tannins. I also strongly recommend going with a primer that will hold back future tannin bleed. Oil primer, to me, still gets a better bite on wood but the real issue is getting something that works well on cedar.
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To bad VP is gone. He has lots of experience with this.

Oil based for me. Afraid to be a water based guinea pig.
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we have tried quick dry oil on new cedar and it doesn't hold and has pop off on us a few times in the last 5 yrs or so we have gone back to the slow drying oils and the still seem to work the best.

I hate working with them but they work, they penetrate and hide tannins period.
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I have used fresh start acrylic from benjamin moore with good results. You have to leave it a couple days after you prime it but it always seemed to control the tannins and bond real well.
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This site recommends oil base stain block.http://www.soundcedar.com/lumber/sid...tion/prime.php
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Its a good idea to clean the wood first even if it is new construction. Since it will be covered by paint, you can use an acidic cleaner (brightener). This will help control your tannins. I also strongly recommend going with a primer that will hold back future tannin bleed. Oil primer, to me, still gets a better bite on wood but the real issue is getting something that works well on cedar.
This sounds like a good idea I have to power wash the house anyway.
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Go with the BM 094 John.Its not what it once was though,its like trying to spred clay.Combine that with a rough surface and its a bear to brush on.Its real annoying to me that our oil products are getting ruined.
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Thanks guy's, your a lot of help.well get her done so it will last.
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I have read some articles claiming that acrylic primers are always better, since they grab better (but the same articles also do admit oils penetrate more). I still lean towards the conventional wisdom of oil first. 094 is nice, 100 is much tougher to brush. I have been using 094 on railings with limited success so I am experimenting with PeelBond and BM 100 a little more this season. The PeelBond is not being used on fresh cedar though

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My rep just told me today use peel bond on it. I think what I'm going to do is wash it with brightner, and use peelbond.
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Slow drying oil primer is the way to go. I've tried just about everything else over the years and always ended up with bleed through problems.
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I've never heard of a wb successfully blocking tannin bleed. Perhaps they will someday. I'm sorry but my reps have told me many things that aren't that helpful. Peelbond from what I've read is good for wood that has coating failure and for chalky surfaces. But I have'nt seen anything saying it is good for new wood with tannin issues.
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I have read some articles claiming that acrylic primers are always better, since they grab better (but the same articles also do admit oils penetrate more). I still lean towards the conventional wisdom of oil first. 094 is nice, 100 is much tougher to brush. I have been using 094 on railings with limited success so I am experimenting with PeelBond and BM 100 a little more this season. The PeelBond is not being used on fresh cedar though
we have gone all 100 this season hate the dry time but not one problem... I have made notes to see how it holds up over time.

some fences we did with cover stain three years ago one new cedar I have some spots that are popping down to fresh wood. I talk to some other guys at my store and they have had cover stain pop pff cedar as well.
I have had success with WB sticking to cedar but not covering bleed.
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I have been questioning 094 lately as well. The only thing I was wondering with 100 is, would it seal the wood so tight that there is no point to putting acrylic stain on the wood as opposed to paint?
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I have been questioning 094 lately as well. The only thing I was wondering with 100 is, would it seal the wood so tight that there is no point to putting acrylic stain on the wood as opposed to paint?
that is a good point all tho the 22 new cedar fences we did this year the top coat was satin finish paint as per Associations specs.

I am tho basically treating solid color stain (ProVt) as a flat paint these days anyways.
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