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Old 10-07-2008, 11:59 PM   #1
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Default new const to old repaints.. any one wanna share some advice?

so i started my painting career in new home construction.. then NHC repaints.. which is what i mainly do now..

I just got a lead from a previous customer that wants me to repaint the entire inside of a rental property that is pretty old.. i would guesstimate 80-90 years old.

since im new to this type of home i was wondering if you guys and gals who are more experienced in the "old school" had tips or pointers that i could take into consideration while making my rounds for the estimate.


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You have the perfect oppurtunity to not only get the job,but charge what you wish.Just listen,in the estimate keep mentioning the facts about lead paint and talk about the proper precautions you should take,I know it does'nt sound like a job getter just yet.But if you keep talking about how you have to take precautions because it is illegal not too and how other paint companys may not do the same wich could then result in a lawsuit,I would say your chances are good for getting the job at the price you want.Remember lead paint,lawsuit,lawsuit,lawsuit
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yes, i agree, put fear in them first.
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Customers get scared when they hear lead. Nextlevel is right, we were contracted to paint 6 window frames this summer for a client who had just purchased a 100 year old building. We got triple what we would normally charge because of the lead factor and it only took two days. One day scrape, sand, remove all flakes and remnants, day two paint. They were short days too. Show off some knowledge about the subject and the job should be yours. Take Nextlevels advice. Also, be sure to do a very thorough walk through. Older homes find a way of presenting lots of surprises. A building that old is probably plaster and sheath. Check each and every wall for loose spots. Press those spots too hard with a roller and they will crack away. Also check for other major issues - cracks in gypsum / plaster, sagging areas, etc. These spots will take a lot more time than a quick cut and roll in a new construction. And if it is plaster, double the repair time from what it would be on a typical sheet of drywall because 1, it will take longer, 2, if you screw it up, fixing it is tough.
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ok, you guys do realize that by scaring the HO, you really are telling them why it is illegal for you to do the work too and could face large fines. Unless of course you are certified in lead abatement, which (since it takes at least 2 years) I am sure you all are.
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Keep in mind that this old house, as a rental, has probably been painted many times already. Any lead has already been encapsulated, so the scare tactic may backfire.

Rental property owners aren't even interested in paying a high price and certaintly not interested in restoration. Restoration would be the time to bring up lead.

Of course, if this were an exterior, you'd have a more legitimate chance to "scare" them with the lead issue.

Pointers to get through a rental property and keep the prices low are to paint walls and ceilings all the same color. Tape the trim rather than cut in. Have some tsp for quick spot cleaning and a spray can of zinnser to cover stains, spots etc.

Inspect thoroughly for clear scotch tape. Use a hammer to pound in nail holes before patching. Don't break the drywall paper, just tap them to make a nice dent that can be patched one time.

Keep some quick drying, fluffy, patching material for last minute patches.

These tips will make the job go super fast, allowing you to price competitively.
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,in the estimate keep mentioning the facts about lead paint and talk about the proper precautions you should take,
But if you keep talking about how you have to take precautions because it is illegal not too and how other paint companys may not do the same wich could then result in a lawsuit,
How many times should he mention it? 20? Tell the HO your concerns in the beginning and maybe throw it at him again when leaving. Most certainly put it in writing when the time comes. But to tell him 20 times gets a WTF, he'll sound like a broken record. Thank you.
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thanks everyone!! i am gonna research the lead paint issue so im prepared to answer questions..

thansk for the heads up on the plaster.. since im used to rock i wouldnt have known..

i appreciate everyone input!



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Pointers to get through a rental property and keep the prices low are to paint walls and ceilings all the same color. Tape the trim rather than cut in. Have some tsp for quick spot cleaning and a spray can of zinnser to cover stains, spots etc.

Inspect thoroughly for clear scotch tape. Use a hammer to pound in nail holes before patching. Don't break the drywall paper, just tap them to make a nice dent that can be patched one time.

Keep some quick drying, fluffy, patching material for last minute patches.

These tips will make the job go super fast, allowing you to price competitively.
thats good advice! thanks!!
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yes, play on their fears,,,,,this is a priority.

definetly bring up lawsuits as soon as you shake their hand,,,,,lead too.
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then maybe fire up a doobie.
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I would inform the HO about the likelyhood of running into dryrot and try to wrangle some finish carpentry / replacement type work out of the HO.

Painting an older home presents some level of lead issues and it wouldn't be bad to work in a haz mat fee of some kind, but I wouldn't overdue it.

A compete restoration is likely out of the question being that it is a rental and unless the HO is a perfectionist they aren't going to bite on a full restoration job.

Make the old place look good and hit um up for some basic replacement stuff and a haz mat type fee. Hopefully the total bid should come out a litlle high, yet reasonable to the HO, make the place look nice, and hopefully win you the bid.

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the input rocks.. thanks again, keep it coming...
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I agree that lead may be an issue but probably a minor one on the interior since it probably already is covered, as JoeWho pointed out. I'd mention it but I have always had a distaste for scare tactic selling.
Also, I wouldn't guess at what level of repaint/renovation they want. Just explain that there are different options and you want to match their expectations to the service you estimate for. Don't guess, let them tell you. They'll tell you whether bottom line pricing or immaculate walls are the deciding factor and you can give them an estimate for exactly what they want. Be sure to explain the potential for some surprises when working with plaster though and good luck.
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son of a b**ch i went to the site thinking ... maybe theres some good deals if a member reccomended it..

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I would inform the HO about the likelyhood of running into dryrot and try to wrangle some finish carpentry / replacement type work out of the HO.

Painting an older home presents some level of lead issues and it wouldn't be bad to work in a haz mat fee of some kind, but I wouldn't overdue it.

A compete restoration is likely out of the question being that it is a rental and unless the HO is a perfectionist they aren't going to bite on a full restoration job.

Make the old place look good and hit um up for some basic replacement stuff and a haz mat type fee. Hopefully the total bid should come out a litlle high, yet reasonable to the HO, make the place look nice, and hopefully win you the bid.

Just my .02... 10-08-2008 07:20 PM
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