New metal building color change. - Paint Talk

2peterhunter · 03-29-2015, 05:32 PM

Just curious to what prep and product is reccomended, it's a new Morton building all the paint is intact they just want a brighter color? Also bare metal on the roof thinking either a sw uniflex coating or a dtm primer and a coat of duration?

[email protected] · 03-29-2015, 08:22 PM

If it has a factory finish I would be very careful. I have seen finishes fail. Even with XIM primer. In fact I drive by one that they change the metal roof color and is peeling badly.
David

2peterhunter · 03-29-2015, 09:01 PM

Yes it is a factory finish.

Gracobucks · 03-29-2015, 09:20 PM

I have had good results with devprep 88 prior to painting.

Devprep 88 specs

gabe · 03-29-2015, 09:21 PM

The problem is the factory finish has a Teflon coating on it. Try to find a bonding primer that is recommended for this product.

gabe · 03-29-2015, 09:23 PM

Acrylic Waterborne Bonding Primer
Single component
Corrosion resistant
Promotes adhesion
Acceptable for use in high performance architectural applications
Suitable for USDA inspected facilities

ShermanMoore · 03-29-2015, 09:24 PM

One coat of SW Bond-Plex or DTM Bonding Primer on the prefinished metal, then topcoat with DTM (okay), Sher-Cryl (better), or Acrolon 100 WB (best). I wouldn't use Duration on metal buildings, especially the roof, when there are coatings designed specifically for metal for comparable or cheaper prices.

gabe · 03-29-2015, 09:26 PM

http://www.prattandlambert.com/produ...bonding_primer

journeymanPainter · 03-29-2015, 09:29 PM

Breakthrough

ShermanMoore · 03-29-2015, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

http://www.prattandlambert.com/produ...bonding_primer

This is just a cross-fill of SW DTM Bonding Primer. The PDS and MSDS are identical, and P&L is SW-owned.

gabe · 03-29-2015, 09:46 PM

I have used the above mentioned primer followed by a couple coats of PPG Pitt tech DTM with good results. SW has the same products that should work fine.

kmp · 03-29-2015, 11:44 PM

I'm going to be doing a metal bldg. re-paint in about 10 days . It is probably 30 years old and I'm adding emulsa-bond to Resiliance. I would use DTM but the temperature gradient is not in my favor.

PACman · 03-30-2015, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected]

If it has a factory finish I would be very careful. I have seen finishes fail. Even with XIM primer. In fact I drive by one that they change the metal roof color and is peeling badly.
David

Another thing that consumers aren't told. It is extremely difficult to paint over new coil coated metal. Even after it is aged, there is much more prep needed to get reliable adhesion then most people realize.

mr4pt · 03-31-2015, 10:27 PM

We just opened a brand new PPG Paints store in Texarkana. It was an existing factory baked enamel metal siding building. We could've used anything in the PPG offering. We went with Pitt Tech bonding primer/finish and two coats Pitt Tech DTM satin.

You can't chisel it off. It's only a year old but looks brand new, even the west side

PACman · 04-01-2015, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr4pt

We just opened a brand new PPG Paints store in Texarkana. It was an existing factory baked enamel metal siding building. We could've used anything in the PPG offering. We went with Pitt Tech bonding primer/finish and two coats Pitt Tech DTM satin.

You can't chisel it off. It's only a year old but looks brand new, even the west side

I sold quite a bit of this system when i worked for PPG. It seems to have worked well.

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mr4pt Paint Pimp Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: SW Arkansas Posts: 33 Rewards Points: 6 Thanks: 15 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts My Photos	New metal building color change. We just opened a brand new PPG Paints store in Texarkana. It was an existing factory baked enamel metal siding building. We could've used anything in the PPG offering. We went with Pitt Tech bonding primer/finish and two coats Pitt Tech DTM satin. You can't chisel it off. It's only a year old but looks brand new, even the west side

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2peterhunter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 180 Rewards Points: 56 Thanks: 15 Thanked 53 Times in 27 Posts My Photos	Yes it is a factory finish.

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gabe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 184 Rewards Points: 77 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 57 Posts My Photos	The problem is the factory finish has a Teflon coating on it. Try to find a bonding primer that is recommended for this product.

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gabe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 184 Rewards Points: 77 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 57 Posts My Photos	Acrylic Waterborne Bonding Primer Single component Corrosion resistant Promotes adhesion Acceptable for use in high performance architectural applications Suitable for USDA inspected facilities

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ShermanMoore Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Northeast Posts: 144 Rewards Points: 225 Thanks: 28 Thanked 125 Times in 58 Posts My Photos	One coat of SW Bond-Plex or DTM Bonding Primer on the prefinished metal, then topcoat with DTM (okay), Sher-Cryl (better), or Acrolon 100 WB (best). I wouldn't use Duration on metal buildings, especially the roof, when there are coatings designed specifically for metal for comparable or cheaper prices.

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gabe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 184 Rewards Points: 77 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 57 Posts My Photos	http://www.prattandlambert.com/produ...bonding_primer

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gabe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 184 Rewards Points: 77 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 57 Posts My Photos	I have used the above mentioned primer followed by a couple coats of PPG Pitt tech DTM with good results. SW has the same products that should work fine.

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kmp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montrose Colorado Posts: 1,505 Rewards Points: 2,434 Thanks: 134 Thanked 566 Times in 413 Posts My Photos	I'm going to be doing a metal bldg. re-paint in about 10 days . It is probably 30 years old and I'm adding emulsa-bond to Resiliance. I would use DTM but the temperature gradient is not in my favor.