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Just finished a faux ceiling (crescent bronze latex copper with Venetian plaster on top) and wall painting inside a restaurant addition in Milwaukee Wisconsin. We were hired by the restaurant owners however the owner hired a GC for the entire project minus painting. Here's the issue: we followed the direction of the owners and painted the space with no windows or a climate control system. Now approx 2 months after the paint has dried, it still feels tacky, soft, and cant even withstand a fingernail test. Please note that there are still no windows installed and no one knows when they will be installed.

What is going on right now with the coatings and what should I expect to happen when the windows finally do go in and the climate system is operating?
My thought is that the paint never got a good cure. Temps since the paint has dried may have hovered around freezing a couple cool nights not to mention we have very wet and dewy mornings this time of year in Milwaukee.

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Old 05-18-2018, 11:53 AM   #2
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Just finished a faux ceiling (crescent bronze latex copper with Venetian plaster on top) and wall painting inside a restaurant addition in Milwaukee Wisconsin. We were hired by the restaurant owners however the owner hired a GC for the entire project minus painting. Here's the issue: we followed the direction of the owners and painted the space with no windows or a climate control system. Now approx 2 months after the paint has dried, it still feels tacky, soft, and cant even withstand a fingernail test. Please note that there are still no windows installed and no one knows when they will be installed.

What is going on right now with the coatings and what should I expect to happen when the windows finally do go in and the climate system is operating?
My thought is that the paint never got a good cure. Temps since the paint has dried may have hovered around freezing a couple cool nights not to mention we have very wet and dewy mornings this time of year in Milwaukee.

Much appreciate all the responses!
Correct. The owners will of course blame the product. Hopefully you got it in writing it was at their direction. Good news is it should be easy to remove when they decide to start over!
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Correct. The owners will of course blame the product. Hopefully you got it in writing it was at their direction. Good news is it should be easy to remove when they decide to start over!
Thanks for the reply. That is the thought of our rep from the manufacture (Hallman Lindsay). Will be getting moisture level readings on Monday and will go from there. Our rep had mentioned that if the moisture levels are where they should be he has had success in the past applying an oil varnish over the surfaces to get some abrasion resistance. He also mentioned that in the words of a chemist, "you only get one chance for a proper cure." Fingers crossed we don't have catastrophic failure once the windows are in and the place gets dried out.
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What brand and resin base was the paint? Was the coating a two component material like PPG Aqua Pon?
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Go rent or buy a dehumidifier. You can control the climate (better anyway)by using tools like this. Dehumidifier, fans and heater (that runs off 220). We have a soggy climate 9 months outta tyevyear and use an often.
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What brand and resin base was the paint? Was the coating a two component material like PPG Aqua Pon?
We were using Hallman Lindsay acrylic primer with their 100% acrylic top coat. Hallman Lindsay is a Wisconsin based company.

Standard latex wall paints - nothing two component. I suppose you could cross it over to SW's old "Color Accents" line perhaps. I'm not sure where Hallman Lindsays "Color Expressions" would otherwise fall. I feel like it's a step above promar 200 but not as good as Superpaint or Duration.
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Go rent or buy a dehumidifier. You can control the climate (better anyway)by using tools like this. Dehumidifier, fans and heater (that runs off 220). We have a soggy climate 9 months outta tyevyear and use an often.
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Just got off the phone with the restaurant owners and they will be suing the GC. The project originally was suppose to be finished by Christmas and they are still waiting on these windows. Any work we do will be back charged to the GC by the restaurant owners. We're in the clear money wise and the owners aren't pointing their fingers at our workmanship or product quality, rather they are blaming the GC. Had he installed the windows when he said he was going to none of this would have occurred.
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I am curious, how were you able to apply VP if things weren’t quite set?
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I am curious, how were you able to apply VP if things werenít quite set?
Although we began painting in early March with temp plus or minus freezing, they did have the heater in there and working. The huge openings where the windows should be is covered with Tyvek so it wasn't just a huge opening. We could get the temps to maybe around 60 but depending on where you measured, it varied greatly. Obviously heat rises and the VP went on the ceiling where it was warmest. The crescent bronze latex took a while to set up and we waited at least 24 hours prior to recoating or putting VP on. But ya, the VP set up fine and so far no issues. I'm curious though if this will remain once the place gets buttoned up and HVAC maintaining consistent dry temps.
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I don’t think the ceiling will be a problem. Hope so, anyway. I’d love to see a pic.
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Couple pictures. You can see the Tyvek where the windows are suppose to be. And the after of the faux ceiling.

Faux system:
Ben Moore fresh start primer with like 15 oz of tint. 2 coats
2 coats Modern Masters latex copper (I know I said crescent bronze but it was MM)
Modern Masters VP

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I donít think the ceiling will be a problem. Hope so, anyway. Iíd love to see a pic.
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Ahhh! So the VP was used to accent the metallic base. I love it! I think commercial spaces give the opportunity to be so much more creative than residential. Nice job.
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