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Old 09-28-2016, 05:03 PM   #1
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I admit that working on my own for the most part makes me a talker when I do get to talk to a customer or homeowner which is generally pretty rare in this day and age with everyone so busy. The problem arises when both the husband and the wife (customers) are talkers. Combine that with my opportunity to talk, and, well, I don't get much painting done. I have HO's now that are obviously excited about making improvements to their home........that's the good part. The bad part is that a 2 minute conversation turns into a 1/2 hour or 45 minute deal and this puts me waaaayyyyyy behind for the day.

Today's conversation was about the first computers that came to the local high school in the early 80's and how programs for those computers were written on cassette tapes.

I guess I've never mastered the "paint as you talk" method of production.
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Building relationships IS work. It's just a different kind of work but very, very valuable.
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I've never mastered this. I've had some 'talkers' who can waste a day yapping at you all day long. Some good people, just didn't worry about your time.

Last couple of days I've been dealing with a virtually deaf old man. He doesn't talk much, but does just stand behind you and stare at you working which is worse.

I hate having people watching me work. I don't know what it is, but it bugs me.

I'd rather have talkers. I think.
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I've never mastered this. I've had some 'talkers' who can waste a day yapping at you all day long. Some good people, just didn't worry about your time.

Last couple of days I've been dealing with a virtually deaf old man. He doesn't talk much, but does just stand behind you and stare at you working which is worse.

I hate having people watching me work. I don't know what it is, but it bugs me.


I'd rather have talkers. I think.
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It is funny how some people have to watch. They just can't help themselves. The only positive I have gathered from the "WATCHERS" is that they will relay your quality techniques to others. "Wow, you should see how that guy cuts in a wall." "Man, he sure is fast with that roller." "I've never seen anyone be so neat when painting."

It's negative to me in that it is the same feeling I always got when taking a test and a teacher would lean over your shoulder watching what you were doing.
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For the "watchers" a quick bomb can of primer gets rid of them fairly quickly.... something ALWAYS needs primer..lol
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When I was younger, I enjoyed talking with elderly people rather than the boomer, or yuppy homeowners. I really felt I was exercising an important civic duty lending myself as a listening platform for an older individuals life history, worries, sorrows, and hopes.

In my late thirties through my forties, and after moving along to a more industrial environment, I just simply shut down rather than listen to all the blowhard co workers brag about their toys, abilities, and audacious plans.

Now that I'm in my mid fifties, I'm finding the time to listen to more people's personal stories, and concerns, regardless of age, personality, or stature. And the more questions I ask, the more willing people are to share. I wonder if this is a consequence of social media, but it sure makes standing in a long line a lot more bearable.
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It is funny how some people have to watch. They just can't help themselves. The only positive I have gathered from the "WATCHERS" is that they will relay your quality techniques to others. "Wow, you should see how that guy cuts in a wall." "Man, he sure is fast with that roller." "I've never seen anyone be so neat when painting."

It's negative to me in that it is the same feeling I always got when taking a test and a teacher would lean over your shoulder watching what you were doing.
As a retired teacher I will say that there was usually a reason we had to look over the shoulders of some students at test time.
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For the "watchers" a quick bomb can of primer gets rid of them fairly quickly.... something ALWAYS needs primer..lol
Another kind of "bomb" can also be pretty effective in dispersing the looky loos.
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Lol! yes indeed....that can be VERY effective.
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Another kind of "bomb" can also be pretty effective in dispersing the looky loos.
As a residential painter, I simply will not pooter in the presence of those who will be writing me a check. Money before gas warfare.
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As a residential painter, I simply will not pooter in the presence of those who will be writing me a check. Money before gas warfare.
Oh hell no! Never against those with payment capabilities. That action is strictly reserved for children and unwanted pets.
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Oh hell no! Never against those with payment capabilities. That action is strictly reserved for children and unwanted pets.
Ahh, the children "watchers." They can be an interesting breed. Seemingly watching quietly yet secretly wanting to pick up that brush and roller and give it a whirl. Had a customer whose kids 4 and 6 "just wanted to help the painter. Let them paint something." I did. And they proceeded to paint the clear coated oak doors, or at least parts of them until they got bored 5 minutes later.
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I admit that working on my own for the most part makes me a talker when I do get to talk to a customer or homeowner which is generally pretty rare in this day and age with everyone so busy. The problem arises when both the husband and the wife (customers) are talkers. Combine that with my opportunity to talk, and, well, I don't get much painting done. I have HO's now that are obviously excited about making improvements to their home........that's the good part. The bad part is that a 2 minute conversation turns into a 1/2 hour or 45 minute deal and this puts me waaaayyyyyy behind for the day.

Today's conversation was about the first computers that came to the local high school in the early 80's and how programs for those computers were written on cassette tapes.

I guess I've never mastered the "paint as you talk" method of production.
I have that problem with Sherwin-Williams. I can spend hours there. For some reason, my wife doesn't share my fascination with rheology profiles.
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Being that I am by myself most days, I don't mind a short conversation with clients( as long as they are going out the door). Then I proceed to talk to myself all day. Nothing better than cranking the music in an empty house and my mom always told me it's ok to talk to yourself as long as you don't answer.
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I too would prefer to be left alone and carry one with my monoloque all day. Or listen to 18th century composers.

Every (quiet) painter seems to have some memorable clients who are avid talkers. Off the top of my head is a retired man who knows a lot more than I do about almost anything, and he is always eager to share. I noticed when he talked, if his wife was there, she would silently go to another room. I guess I was one of his new favorite friends. It was in a way an almost perfect conversation --one man talked, the other listened and learned (and worried about the half-painted door at the same time..) One day he talked passionately about his collection of the native American Indian baskets and their history --some were rare and beautiful, highly sought after art items...

On a different note, I'm reminded of another client who is seemingly taciturn. In the morning, he opened the front door and said "Good morning L." That was it for the day. His wife is talkative, but he seems to be a man of few words. He is an elderly lawyer.
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]I too would prefer to be left alone and carry one with my monoloque all day. Or listen to 18th century composers. [/B]

Every (quiet) painter seems to have some memorable clients who are avid talkers. Off the top of my head is a retired man who knows a lot more than I do about almost anything, and he is always eager to share. I noticed when he talked, if his wife was there, she would silently go to another room. I guess I was one of his new favorite friends. It was in a way an almost perfect conversation --one man talked, the other listened and learned (and worried about the half-painted door at the same time..) One day he talked passionately about his collection of the native American Indian baskets and their history --some were rare and beautiful, highly sought after art items...

On a different note, I'm reminded of another client who is seemingly taciturn. In the morning, he opened the front door and said "Good morning L." That was it for the day. His wife is talkative, but he seems to be a man of few words. He is an elderly lawyer.
Although I have never used music in a home with occupant/s present, I did do some work a couple of years ago in a house whose owner listened to classical music all day. I must say, I enjoyed that immensely and found it very easy to work under its "spell" AND mentally stimulating, which is an unusual occurrence for me when painting.
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How about singing. Does anyone here sing at work? I save my best falsettos for the ladies. The boomers seem to dig it more than the millenials.
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Although I have never used music in a home with occupant/s present, I did do some work a couple of years ago in a house whose owner listened to classical music all day. I must say, I enjoyed that immensely and found it very easy to work under its "spell" AND mentally stimulating, which is an unusual occurrence for me when painting.
Jazz has the same affect..; )
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Although I have never used music in a home with occupant/s present, I did do some work a couple of years ago in a house whose owner listened to classical music all day. I must say, I enjoyed that immensely and found it very easy to work under its "spell" AND mentally stimulating, which is an unusual occurrence for me when painting.
If I have an urge to listen to music when homeowner is home, I'd turn the volume down, just a little louder than conversation in library.

I like the sound of orchestral instruments. And the different states of mind evoked by music --cheerful, elated, grandiose, melancholy, yearning, depressed.. Sometimes when I heard homeowners' kids practicing piano, I stopped and listened. One afternoon a homeowner (a music teacher) played some Chopin's nocturnes at his leisure. The piano sound was so huge and warm, like in the concert hall, I stood still in the next room and enjoyed immensely.

The composers are long gone, their emotive expressions still here, hitherto mute and hidden, relived in many others once more..
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