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Old 01-05-2016, 02:58 PM   #1
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ok yall, I have a guy, who started out as a client, but as I have done so much work for him, he and I have become friends too. well, anyways, he moves into a new house, calls me says he has enough work for me to last me at least through january. (mind yall I'm a one man operation). he offers to give me a deposit before I left in early December 4 vacation, I shake his hand tell him no well square up when I finish his place. well, I get back and his general contractor painted about 2800$ worth of work I was going to do. my client/friend said it is because he paid his gc up front a bunch of money n gc came in under budget on some remodelling. my client said he would pay me but I don't know what to do...give me some feedback?
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:11 PM   #2
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If you don't have anything booked to fill up the space, take what you can get, get paid weekly. I would never work for longer than a week without getting paid, especially with no deposit. Friend or not.
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I have an investor/client that i have done work for him for 3 years. He also has become a friend but he still gets estimates and a written contract just like everyone else.

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Some will likely say you should have gotten the deposit. Period. But even if you had, I'm thinking you would likely be returning most if not all of it considering your relationship with the customer.

It would have been nice of him to have run this by you prior to doing this, especially if he knew you had budgeted time for it in your schedule. The GC could have returned the excess funds rather than do the extra work, especially if he knew another contractor was schedule for the painting. He too could have offered to talk to you about it before proceeding (again, assuming he knew).

Think you really have no choice but to bite it, at least if you wish to remain friends - sorry. I guess this is an example of why many of us think two, three, four, or even more times, before working for family and friends (even though I have, and will continue to do so)
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Clients are clients, friends are friends, know the difference.
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Guys, I didn't say I'm painting for a buddy...he's a client who pays me whst I charge no questions asked, but he chats me up when I'm around. he's more than just some money guy.
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ok yall, I have a guy, who started out as a client, but as I have done so much work for him, he and I have become friends too. well, anyways, he moves into a new house, calls me says he has enough work for me to last me at least through january. (mind yall I'm a one man operation). he offers to give me a deposit before I left in early December 4 vacation, I shake his hand tell him no well square up when I finish his place. well, I get back and his general contractor painted about 2800$ worth of work I was going to do. my client/friend said it is because he paid his gc up front a bunch of money n gc came in under budget on some remodelling. my client said he would pay me but I don't know what to do...give me some feedback?
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Guys, I didn't say I'm painting for a buddy...he's a client who pays me whst I charge no questions asked, but he chats me up when I'm around. he's more than just some money guy.
Sorry, our bad.

Seriously, if that is all he really is then perhaps you could explain the situation and could get some compensation for the interruption of your schedule and the resulting down time. Or, maybe he has additional work you could do to cover some of what you lost. Though it's likely that you will just have to bite it and move on.
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he did have me do extra work when I got back, but they seemed to be done more out of guilt...like hey, sorry about the x number of dollars lost, here's 900 worth of work. what I'm wondering is would you all ask for money? I wasn't worried about the money, until last time I was there, the other painters were next door and we're coming to look at the wainscoting job, and my client was all like..."oh, this'll be weird, my others painters seeing you here..." bam, then thry not only install wainscoting but are painting it too.
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Live and learn. Not cool to do what he did, but at least you know what you're dealing with next time around. It is what it is.
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I am not sure what he did wrong
He did not take any money from you and he owes you nothing
That's life
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He promised work and than gave it to someone else. That is not good what he did but honestly just move on and either work for him again if he calls or don't its your choice.
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he did have me do extra work when I got back, but they seemed to be done more out of guilt...like hey, sorry about the x number of dollars lost, here's 900 worth of work. what I'm wondering is would you all ask for money? I wasn't worried about the money, until last time I was there, the other painters were next door and we're coming to look at the wainscoting job, and my client was all like..."oh, this'll be weird, my others painters seeing you here..." bam, then thry not only install wainscoting but are painting it too.
I certainly wouldn't ask for it. But if he were to offer some sort of "compensation" then guess you'll have to decide for yourself if you should take it.

I'm a little fuzzy in the wainscoting part. Is that the second time he gave away work he'd promised to you? If so, then I would definitely have "the talk" with him before leaving and never looking back (hopefully after getting some compensation from him). I'd also likely have a chat with the other contractor and let him know that you felt it was a crappy thing for him be taking work away from you in this manner. But ultimately, this is on the HO.
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just had the talk with him, we worked everything out. he and gc came to an agreement, and yes he had said wainscoting was mine, and now it is back to mine.
Phinnster, I hv no idea why you responded.
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I've lost track of how many times a client, property manager, or GC had told us, "don't worry I've got work to keep you busy until {fill in appropriate week/month/year}." On the other hand, I can tell you exactly how it has actually turned into work...I don't even need to use my fingers to count them.

It was a painful lesson, but I did learn to completely ignore such empty promises.
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Most times you just have to go with your gut feeling about someone, and even then, it can still turn into a mirage in the blink of an eye. Fortunately, I have a great clientelle, and I never get stiffed. I also don't rely on ANYONES promise of future work. Thats just asking for trouble.
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I've lost track of how many times a client, property manager, or GC had told us, "don't worry I've got work to keep you busy until {fill in appropriate week/month/year}." On the other hand, I can tell you exactly how it has actually turned into work...I don't even need to use my fingers to count them.

It was a painful lesson, but I did learn to completely ignore such empty promises.
Yep. Right up there with, "I have a friend/relative/neighbor who will be calling you about doing some painting for them." Just nod and say, "Thank you", and then forget about it.
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It's not a job until contract is signed & deposit is paid .

until then life goes on, i keep scheduling jobs based on signed contracts



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what I have tried to Impress upon yall though is this is the first time this has happened to me, and when it comes to it comes to this guy I hv literally done 20 Jobs for him all sealed with a handshake...never had a problem til just c recently. I told him what was up how I felt and problem was resolved.
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Glad to hear. One less bridge burned, thats always a good thing.
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You get one freebie (ie not getting burned by not having contracts) if you are lucky. You learned something and I'm glad it worked out for you but now you know for next time. Contracts, contracts, contracts.

This is just an aside based on experience.. Want to kill a friendship? Do business together. Want to kill a business relationship? Become friends.
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