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Old 02-10-2010, 08:24 PM   #1
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House across the street that has been occupied by the same family for 60 years finally is being liquidated from it's trust and put on the open market.

So for it's first showing, sunday, it had 21 folks go and look at the house. I get an email asking for an estimate to paint the place and carpentry - so I call back - and get a machine. Then it dawns on me, as 4+ guys in painter vans come by to look at the place - it's just one of those instances where folks want freebie estimates from a painter in order to try and negotiate a lower price.

Been there, done that, no thank you. It always surprises me the sheer stupidity of guys to go bidding these real estate transactions in progress without collecting a fee. Everybody else but the painter makes money. Makes me regret all those times I accused our trade of being infiltrated by them 'w' women. It's not true, escorts, call girls, exotic dancers - whatever you want to call them, make some damn fine money!
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Old 02-10-2010, 08:27 PM   #2
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Now your baaaaacccckkkkkkkk!!!!!!!
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Yep, seen that same scenario myself many times....and that's the only time the "Highest Bid" is ever used. It may never be painted but they'll use the highest bid. I rate it right up there with doing work with real estate agents. Those are the calls where there is a charge for the estimate.
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I think it is the same with any business your in, people try to take advantage at all levels, we are not alone in this. Playing Peter against Paul is the way life for a lot of people.Don't you think we all do this in one form or another? That said it's not fun when it happens to us. How about working for realtors, they can send you out to bid a house and then you find out it was just to make them look good to the owners or something? When you first start out in business you bite on all these, then after a few years you learn to ask more questions and get more savvy.I don't think we will ever get to the point to where we know at all times when it is a waste of time and when it's not, but we keep trying.
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John - Is that your longest post ever?
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John - Is that your longest post ever?
You know I don't think it is, but maybe. I love to talk, but get tired of writing.
Did you like that? I guess I could wax eloquent more often.You know I was just thinking of you. Hope you are doing good up in the land of the cold.You have written some good stuff as of late.
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I would quote it with no problems. I would not spend more then 15 minutes on it though and present a worst case scenario quote just to cover my butt.

Even if they have no intentions of using your services, you get some exposure (branding), possible relationship, and maybe somebody in the 'hood sees your wrapped vehicle and gives you a call. Overall, seems like a like a low "investment".
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Fresh, what you just said is common sense. You weigh out what you have to put in and what you might get out of the venture and away you go. Look at how many people play the lottery, and their chances are way lower than this.
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I used to get all warped pulling up to a job with this type of scenario but new home owners has become a significant part of our business because we have the man power and scheduling abilty to meet their closing and move in schedule. I rarely "qualify" a potential customer. I can't afford that luxury. Most ladies want new paint to go with their new home and I can't tell which ones do and which ones don't.
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Also my job is to provide proposals to potential customers and bring in new projects to keep our schedule full. My salary is figured into our pricing wether the job pans out or not. But I know I won't get a project if I "assume" I know the potential customers intentions. I have been wrong with my predictions of what projects will pan out so many times that I have to laugh at myself.
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I used to get all warped pulling up to a job with this type of scenario but new home owners has become a significant part of our business because we have the man power and scheduling abilty to meet their closing and move in schedule. I rarely "qualify" a potential customer. I can't afford that luxury. Most ladies want new paint to go with their new home and I can't tell which ones do and which ones don't.
Very true, Aaron. My thing is you just don't know. You may just bump into an opportunity that can really open up some doors. Chances are that you won't, but the "investment", I think, is worth it.
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I think if you view your business a continuation of never really ending kind of thing, it is less stressful. If that makes sense. does the guy that owns the corner store add up all the hours he works in his business? I think if he did he would be very disappointed.We can't feel we are going to be paid for everything we do, it all part of the business.
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JP: That is very true. I know folks that are clearing 6 figures a year. But, if you break it down to their hourly rate (65 - to 75 hrs / wk every wk) their hourly rate isn't that much more then $30 - 40 / hr.
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JP: That is very true. I know folks that are clearing 6 figures a year. But, if you break it down to their hourly rate (65 - to 75 hrs / wk every wk) their hourly rate isn't that much more then $30 - 40 / hr.
Also you have to tell yourself your having a good time. "I'm having a good time!"

This kind of self talk is under estimated for business.

I know this sounds stupid, but at some point you have to enjoy the work that you have chosen, or you end up wineing about things like this and really all it does is work against you.
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Sh1t - IALMAO. That is - spot on. If you don't truly get stoked about what you are doing (or are a dam good actor) - that vibe will definitely transfer during the presentation / quote. Good point - jp.
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