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Old 12-02-2009, 11:57 PM   #1
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Just wanted to find out how many on here offer to do crown molding- if yes, do you find there is a big market for it, do you find it a good way to up sell to your painting customers? Remember, I'm just the office girl here.....maybe this has been discussed before, just curious and wanted to throw it out there.
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Old 12-03-2009, 12:07 AM   #2
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Some do, here is a good example, Mak-Deco on Facebook
Some areas it may be an issue with license/insurance.
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yeah, all trims, and any wood replacement, and drywall also. In the future will expand into flooring, and tile.
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I'm a painter and I know it, I'm not a carpenter and I know it.
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We do quite a bit of finish carpentry, but crown molding is one of the most "time consuming". Exact miters and copes, may take two to install due to the length, and some can be ornate requiring 3 or more pieces. You need to have some talented, skilled individuals and the proper tools...so it could turn out to be a moderate investment to get started.
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Nope. We'll replace a small piece here and there on as needed basis, but nothing from scratch.
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With all the whining I hear on here about "other people" or "other trades" becoming painters aren't you doing the same thing to a finish carpenter? Im not saying dont do it, but its just the old pot calling the kettle black thing. If you do get into other trades, change the name of your company from painting to "contracting" or something of the like. I mean really....I'm not gonna hire a septic guy to install a pool for me....just because he has the tools and can dig a hole.
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We do trim, hang and tape drywall, and install vanities and cupboards. I personally only paint and dabble in taping. The drywall hanging, vanities and trim are subbed to a liscened caprenter. It is a nice service to offer, as most of you know people are looking for convenience. Dealing with 1 contractor is easiar than dealing with 5 in a homeowners eyes. We are currently painting a 2500 sq/ft home, and also doing 2 taping jobs at the same time. It is nice to have 2 different types of jobs at the same time so the tools can stay on site and not have to pack up every time you leave.
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I'll replace some casing or hang a sheet of drywall if needbe, but i dont market myself as trimmer or drywaller by any means.
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With all the whining I hear on here about "other people" or "other trades" becoming painters aren't you doing the same thing to a finish carpenter? Im not saying dont do it, but its just the old pot calling the kettle black thing. If you do get into other trades, change the name of your company from painting to "contracting" or something of the like. I mean really....I'm not gonna hire a septic guy to install a pool for me....just because he has the tools and can dig a hole.
My company has 3 divisions: Painting, Remodeling, and Insurance Restoration. The last two I have to be licensed by the state and carry the appropriate insurances. All major elec, plumbing, hvac, and a few others are subbed out to licensed contractors, as is/are large drywall jobs. We only handle the jobs we are competent and comfortable with.
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It depends on the job and the customer, but we installed crown molding a few times this year and replaced a lot of rotten wood on exteriors. We also installed faux wainscotting, which turned out really well. Sometimes I bring in a carpenter to do the work and sometimes I do it myself.

I bought a 10" sliding mitre saw because of all the wood replacement, but since we aren't using it a lot, I bought a cheap one.

The guys that work with us are not carpenters. We stick to painting, mostly.
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Virtually every exterior job we do needs some wood replacement. This can range from a fascia board to an entire wall of siding. By offering this service I provide my customer additional convenience--he doesn't need to find a carpenter. We have the tools and skills to do this type of work. The same goes for crown. When we run into something that is beyond our skill set, I sub the work.

I see nothing wrong with offering additional services, provided you have the equipment and skills to do it properly. If you can make it easier for the customer, why not do so?

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Yes, and it is one of my favorite things to do. Its quite simple if you cope all inside corners and use a nice miter saw that is set up correctly. I can breeze through it with my spring angle chart and a gauge. You also need a good set of rasps and files for fine tuning.
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I see nothing wrong with offering additional services, provided you have the equipment and skills to do it properly. If you can make it easier for the customer, why not do so?
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I don't see nothing wrong with providing that service ether.
As long as you are licensed to do such work according to your state laws. And, You know how to install with out looking like its a hack job, that means not practicing on a client.
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I had a friend who only installed crown moulding. He charged $7 per linear foot. Painted and installed. He is the largest after market crown moulding installer I knew of or seen down in North Florida.

Good money in it if you want to take it on because there is a market, but people just do not know about it too much.
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Good money in it if you want to take it on because there is a market, but people just do not know about it too much.
Agreed. I see lots of jobs where it looks like a monkey put it up and used 4 tubes of caulk.
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I offer "light carpentry repairs"
Heck I could trim a room and hang doors (and have many times over the years)
Though I don't really go fast enough to make money at it
It's more that I break even (or maybe make a little), and mostly to get the painting job (money maker) done quickly and efficiently (I'm not waiting or depending on someone else to start or fix things)

But I'd never offer to do a "new" crown molding
I have done them...cripes they are hard (for an occasional pseudo-carpy)!
It is literally an extra dimension over doing floor molding or exterior rakes
Seriously, I wouldn't even do it on my own house (and I'm a huge DIYer)

Yes, there is a big market for it, but that's because the real carpies charge pretty good coin for it...people don't want to pay
But it is well deserved...every penny of it
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I love working with wood (as a hobby)
I just sliced up a warped table top, planed the pieces, and biscuit joined them back together (in a different order) to re-cond a table (for myself)
I've trimmed out more than a half a house on my own (as a GC apprentice) years ago
I'd trim out my own, or a family member's house in full no prob...oh wait I have done both!

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...I see lots of jobs where it looks like a monkey put it up and used 4 tubes of caulk.
This describes perfectly any attempts I have made at crown molding
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As with anything else, if a person decides to get into this they had better do their homework. When it comes to trim it isn't simply a matter of measuring/cutting/coping/installing. Trim has to be properly acclimatized to prevent shrinking, even MDF does it if you're not careful. A friend of mine does light reno work and one of his customers failed to get her humidifier function on her HVAC system working properly last winter. It caused all his new crown moulding work to shrink and even crack along all the caulking seams. Another huge reno job I had to help out on had crown seperating as much as 3/8" from the ceiling because of the same type of HVAC issue.
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As with anything else, if a person decides to get into this they had better do their homework. When it comes to trim it isn't simply a matter of measuring/cutting/coping/installing. Trim has to be properly acclimatized to prevent shrinking, even MDF does it if you're not careful. A friend of mine does light reno work and one of his customers failed to get her humidifier function on her HVAC system working properly last winter. It caused all his new crown moulding work to shrink and even crack along all the caulking seams. Another huge reno job I had to help out on had crown seperating as much as 3/8" from the ceiling because of the same type of HVAC issue.
Sounds like the same reasons someone who re-painted their interior back in '93 and their Aunt's living room in '96 and enjoys "Trade My House" re-decorating shows on TV (TiVo'd every episode) and is now laid off from their marketing job...and their unemployment insurance has run out, shouldn't start a Painting Biz
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