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Old 07-27-2018, 09:57 AM   #21
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Farrell Calhoun paint. Same group of guys in the store now for over 5 years. No fancy sales or advertising. Price for good quality is in 20's for me.
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time is important to most painters too ... along with prices
that's why so many painters use SW, close by, easy in - out

imho SW has forgotten small contractors, they're going more for HO
with sales every other day giving HO 30 to 40 % off

they will chase new contractors, giving them low price getting you hooked, then slowly raise your prices

i have found better relationships with PPG & BM. They set your price then provide a service.

i wished PPG would go after the market with more stores / hours they would put a hurting on SW

SW does have that convenience factor, especially now that they sealed up Lowes. As for PPG, I can never tell what they're doing. If there is a misstep to make, PPG will make it. Look at what they did to the Porter brand that used to own a good chunk of real estate in the paint industry. BM seems to be getting their sh!t together, but sometimes it's hard to take control when you deal solely with independent retailers. Regional grinders, like Farrell Calhoun and Richards have a good price point for commodity paint . . .

PPG is the only one with deep enough pockets to take on the Death Star known as SW. But as the last 17 years have proven, it takes more than deep pockets to become King of the Mountain and SW invested in an outside sales force & thousands of locations to make it easier to do business with.
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I spray it one time, done. Average paint, I'm west coast guy, Miller, Rodda.. BM is BS 4 coats paint, SW is too much for BS but usable. I'd better use HD or WM paint than BM if I have to. Although BM has one paint that is useful, Natura, but man it is pricey.
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I'm leaning towards agreeing with MikeCalifornia here.

1) Regal: negotiate a better price to narrow the gap ($7 more is a tad too high)
2) Cashmere One Coat: unless you're repainting the same color in flat, you need two coats. Cashmere flows & levels well to create that smooth finish, but it does not have the mil thickness / build to conduct a moderate color change, provide a uniform sheen (if not flat) in one coat, nor successfully develop the intended color (for absolute touch up). Could you get by with one coat on occasion? Absolutely, but it depends on the lighting in most cases. To see what it really looks like, shine a nice flood light down the wall and you will find any flaw. (I suggest not doing this with the customer present--could open up a whole can of worms!)
This is pretty much every paint SW makes. One coat over anything but the same color will almost always not match the sample. Never. And it does create some pretty bad touch-up issues.
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SW does have that convenience factor, especially now that they sealed up Lowes. As for PPG, I can never tell what they're doing. If there is a misstep to make, PPG will make it. Look at what they did to the Porter brand that used to own a good chunk of real estate in the paint industry. BM seems to be getting their sh!t together, but sometimes it's hard to take control when you deal solely with independent retailers. Regional grinders, like Farrell Calhoun and Richards have a good price point for commodity paint . . .

PPG is the only one with deep enough pockets to take on the Death Star known as SW. But as the last 17 years have proven, it takes more than deep pockets to become King of the Mountain and SW invested in an outside sales force & thousands of locations to make it easier to do business with.

What could be more convenient than texting your rep Sunday evening and having a gallon of paint delivered to your job site?
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SW has some incredible people . . . but the great ones get promoted within two years and we start the relationship over. Nothing better than a 25yr old telling me about products I've been using for over a decade. SMH
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PPG is the only one with deep enough pockets to take on the Death Star known as SW. But as the last 17 years have proven, it takes more than deep pockets to become King of the Mountain and SW invested in an outside sales force & thousands of locations to make it easier to do business with.
PPG is the biggest paint company worldwide with 14.3 billion in sales last year. SW is 3rd with 8.9 Billion in sales last year.

SW may have the homeowners market saturated, but its PPG that makes most of the industrial paints in the world, and obviously, there is more money in that.

Airplanes, Trains, Bridges, Cargo ships, power plants etc. are usually painted with PPG.
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The Valspar acquisition is just now hitting the one year mark and SW had $4.77b in sales just in the 2nd quarter 2018. I'm pretty sure they will eclipse PPG when they have a full calendar year under their belt. Interesting enough, SW Product Finishes offered on PPG Industrial back in 2010. Obviously, they couldn't agree on terms, so the idea drifted away . . . or did it? I'm curious to see who plays PacMan and gobbles up another regional grinder. And no, it won't be anyone gobbling Ben Moore. That's Warren's company and he hasn't sold anything since like 1978.
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I say we all shut down for a couple of years. Lets go fishing and drinking. Bet SW removes that 40% off coupon to the HO. And we can all critic that young lady with the 4-8 pole in the big box commercials over a rum drink. We let those that work for us marginalize our trade.
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Today I looked at Ultra Spec from BM and their Ben product, I have had crazy flashing from Ultra Spec eggshell but none from the Ben product doing the exact same procedure.
Ben is 20 more a gallon and never had flashing issues in the eggshell and as another member mentioned it is washable. Ultra Spec is crap until you get in to the satin and semigloss
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