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Old 01-30-2012, 12:25 AM   #21
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The new gennex stuff has a suggested retail and a minimum sell price. Most stores seem to make the suggested retail the walk in price and the minimum the contractor. But, they can price higher for either as well. I think the stores can do whatever they want as long as no one buys below minimum sale price. I have heard some ace stores sell everything at the minimum sale price, retail or contractor.
Obviously I meant there is a set minimum price they can give to contractors...Retail customers shouldn't get our discount..I'm sure they try to get away with selling it a little higher to some painters but if you are a smart consumer you find out pretty quick that they have a bottom line minimum price for contractors who ask for it...
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Old 01-30-2012, 02:23 PM   #22
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As VP said earlier, they are a business...and so are we.

It's a simple economics lesson. You price paint at $70 because that's what the market will bear and according to BM, the stuff is really that much better. It might be, but as we know there's much more that goes into our buying decisions as PC's.

If the pricing gets outta hand, the market will correct them. We're not dealing with Apple iPhones here...it's paint. Lots of companies make paint. Generally speaking, each of them is trying to make the best possible paint at the lowest price in order to gain competitive advantage. $70 paint is risky. Their future is at stake and I'm sure they take it very seriously.
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what a deal. Like the open mike aspect of it. I need to read this, I am commenting on just what I have read in this thread

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Buy what works for you and sell quality services with quality products, if you are having to make concessions on quality to compete with the hacks and lowballers you will eventually either be out of business or become one yourself.


Quote of the year right there.
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Read the response from Dana about some of the questions raised. Feel free to comment and ask questions, he will follow up.
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I am taking issue with the self priming portion. On a small commercial project relied on regal select pearl to be self priming over regular blue lid joint compound repairs.. Absolute fail. Took 4 coats to get even sheen. Two full coats on walls, one spot coat on repairs (close to even sheen), then a final full coat.
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I am taking issue with the self priming portion. On a small commercial project relied on regal select pearl to be self priming over regular blue lid joint compound repairs.. Absolute fail. Took 4 coats to get even sheen. Two full coats on walls, one spot coat on repairs (close to even sheen), then a final full coat.
Regal Select is self-priming on most substrates.

I guess its not on regular blue lid joint compound. No sure I would have even attempted that method. On new compound I would have definitely used some sort of sealer for first coat.

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Regal Select is self-priming on most substrates.

I guess its not on regular blue lid joint compound. No sure I would have even attempted that method. On new compound I would have definitely used some sort of sealer for first coat.

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IMHO, priming over drywall patches is very most basic kind of priming one could possibly ask of a "self priming" paint. I do not expect it to bond to tough substrates, seal stains, stick to plastic, seal smoke damage, etc. If it cannot do that, I really see absolutely no reason to call it self priming. The mattes can, but of course lower sheen makes it easy and almost any paint can self prime over patches in matte or flat.
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"Self priming" seems to be a pretty broad term these days.
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IMHO, priming over drywall patches is very most basic kind of priming one could possibly ask of a "self priming" paint. I do not expect it to bond to tough substrates, seal stains, stick to plastic, seal smoke damage, etc. If it cannot do that, I really see absolutely no reason to call it self priming. The mattes can, but of course lower sheen makes it easy and almost any paint can self prime over patches in matte or flat.
My bad, I thought you were using it for the entire walls that had just been compounded. I would say that is pretty strange, I would think just about any product should seal on first coat and look ok on the second for little repairs. Maybe mud was not fully dry or it re activated it somehow.

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"Self priming" seems to be a pretty broad term these days.
I agree, I really have no idea what it even means. I had always thought the gimmick with Behr was to appeal to the HO. Where the HO is always under the impression that you need to prime first then apply the finish coat, even if the walls are in perfect shape.

Before all this recent famous self prime chit. The only self prime paint I knew was the solid color stains. Which the reasons for this was obvious.

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It was repairing holes from where shelves had been mounted. Repairs one day, painting the next. Everything looked dry and sanded as if dry. I wonder if aura satin would have managed.
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It was repairing holes from where shelves had been mounted. Repairs one day, painting the next. Everything looked dry and sanded as if dry. I wonder if aura satin would have managed.
I was thinking the same thing, I have only used the pearl once or twice. Its just not a popular item for me.

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Pearl is not exactly a forgiving paint.
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I would say I only use pearl or satin on walls every other year or so. Next time, I will hopefully remember.
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I use primer regardless of what the can says. Primer costs less than throwing away paint in rock and mud.



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Pearl is not exactly a forgiving paint.
Quick casting your pearls to swines.Use a top quailty primer 1st.
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Pearl is not exactly a forgiving paint.
This, not an easy product at all to work with.
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Primer makes everything better...
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