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Old 05-07-2009, 07:37 AM   #21
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$60 an hour for three stories.
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Old 05-07-2009, 07:43 AM   #22
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Problem is the hourly rate thing. I agree that's a problem. While it might all equate to that, why are they wanting that. You honestly haven't provided enough information for us to make an informed decision. Pics of the actual project would help. We have no clue as to whether a lift of any type could be used or what. If they're 35 feet in the air you'll need at least a 40 foot ladder to accomplish that. (safely) All the other previous questions asked apply also. Pressure washing is also really tricky around those. Just don't always proceed under more pressure is better. Tell you what you provide the information and I'll give an honest answer and no one will need to calm down.

I can tell you if you're thinking 20 an hour though that's way to low....WAY too low.

In lieu of that however good luck.
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:58 PM   #23
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If you want to be legitimate business there is going to be a lot of learning. If you are doing some weird cash deal under the table where you and the homeowner have no protection. I would advise when you have the money to check out www.yourcostcenter.com. Learn about overhead and what it costs to run a business. Maybe some night classes about some basic business concepts. I am assuming that you want to be a business owner and not a painter. Understand the difference.

I don't see how a paint company could operate for less than $50hr. Read and learn as much as you can. When in doubt ask. $18hr is a joke. When I said $20 an hour I was poking fun and being horribly sarcastic. I apologize for that. Good luck!

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lol, total lol.

You guys are gonna get fired (and sued for the $ it takes to hire a real painting company to fix and finish your work) or get hurt, or end up working for free.
Maybe all three.

3 and 5 years is just enough to get you both in a jam...quickly.
As for the client asking for an hourly rate? I don't break down my numbers for anyone.
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:59 PM   #25
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he is not coming back to talk about this. He knows we are right and won't admit it. He is going to have to learn the hard way. Maybe if he gets burned really bad the lesson will sink in and stick but I doubt it.
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he is not coming back to talk about this. He knows we are right and won't admit it. He is going to have to learn the hard way. Maybe if he gets burned really bad the lesson will sink in and stick but I doubt it.
Nah....he's out checking out the price of vaseline
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Old 05-07-2009, 09:29 PM   #27
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Nah....he's out checking out the price of vaseline

$2.50


I use it on my face...honestly.
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It's what you are planning to do with that face that worries me...

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I was thinking about this thread today.

If a guy/gal feels his work speed and quality is worth $18 - $20/hour as an independant contractor, shouldn't his/her best course of action be to go get a job with an established painter until his/her value is a bit higher? I'm not sure many HO's would want someone in or on their house who has a self worth of only $20/hr.

20 years ago I was paying my workers $12/hour, and these were not experienced old timers.

How much do you all pay your help now-a-days?



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You guy's aren't ready to run your "own thing" if you haven't figured out your wage and business profit. You sound like nothing more then glorified side jobbers rather then professional contractors. Go back to the drawing board and save yourselves a ton of grief. All your doing is making it harder for the legitimate contractors to compete on a level playing field.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:32 AM   #31
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It's what you are planning to do with that face that worries me...

Aw c'mon don't worry, it only seems weird the first time...
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I keep checking back here in vain. Hoping Hypnotic will read what has been posted and see the error of his ways.
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Hey guys, I've been busy and couldn't get back to respond.

To answer some questions. We have no overhead, $20 an hour cash and the owners are supplying everything from the lift to the paint to the scrapers. The business put us on their insurance at no cost to us. Also guys, I'm not in Chicago here, I'm in a mid to small size city. I'm going to have to eat some earnings to establish a name. Thanks for all the great responses though. I'll let you know how it turns out.
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Hey guys, I've been busy and couldn't get back to respond.

To answer some questions. We have no overhead, $20 an hour cash and the owners are supplying everything from the lift to the paint to the scrapers. The business put us on their insurance at no cost to us. Also guys, I'm not in Chicago here, I'm in a mid to small size city. I'm going to have to eat some earnings to establish a name. Thanks for all the great responses though. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Don't bother with the update, anyone here with any experience already knows how this will end.


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$60 an hour for three stories.

Once upon a time a man decided he was going to be a painter and get rich....

Can I have an advance on the $60 before I do any more stories?
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Hey guys, I've been busy and couldn't get back to respond.

To answer some questions. We have no overhead, $20 an hour cash and the owners are supplying everything from the lift to the paint to the scrapers. The business put us on their insurance at no cost to us. Also guys, I'm not in Chicago here, I'm in a mid to small size city. I'm going to have to eat some earnings to establish a name. Thanks for all the great responses though. I'll let you know how it turns out.
If you are covered by their insurance then the insurance company will want to know how much you are being paid. If they don't put you on payroll then they will give you a 1099 to prove what they paid you. You just screwed yourself with a smile.
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Being paid cash suggests being paid under the table, which reaks of many people not paying taxes, workers comp, and liability.

Ask for insurance certificates and request payment by company checks.

Otherwise I'd say there was a whole lot of scamming going on, and whether you are part of it or not, you will be held just as responsible.



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I'm disappointed in all you guys. I truly expected the obligatory

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I'm disappointed in all you guys. I truly expected the obligatory

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I was so overwhelmed with emotion after reading HYPNOTIC's posts I couldn't muster the energy...

meh.
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